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I have become convinced that advertisers are a huge problem and not fixable. Helping to destroy the advertising industry might become my primary activistic ambi

I have become convinced that advertisers are a huge problem and not fixable. Helping to destroy the advertising industry might become my primary activistic ambition.

craftyguy 9y ago
You can probably buy ads to get the word out.
- cyborgx7 9y ago
  ads against ads (like ads for installing ad blockers) is actually something I'm considering doing.
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madez 9y ago
Count me in. But I'm not so much interested in destructive activity, but positive constructive change. Abandoning FireFox and spreading the word about it would be a good start to gain momentum for browsers that are loyal to the users independently of economic incentives. Let alone that Mozilla is using marketshare as a metric for FireFox tells me that they aren't the developer I want to have for my browser.
- callahad 9y ago
  > browsers that are loyal to the users independently of economic incentives ...and how are those browsers possibly sustainable? Creating a browser is incredibly expensive[0]. If you want reasonable compatibility with the de facto Web you have to build atop Chromium, WebKit, or Gecko, the availability of which is predicated on the financial stability of Google, Apple, or Mozilla respectively. By all means, use a third party browser if it better suits your needs, but there's no escaping the hard dependency on the business models you so vehemently oppose. [0]: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/12/maintaining-independent-browser-is.html http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/12/maintaining-independent-...
  - madez 9y ago
    The same could be said about operating systems and many other complex software projects. Advanced video and picture creation and manipulation, for example, and yet we have Kdenlive and GIMP. And we also have Debian and GCC and then some. None of them decided to take the route Mozilla has taken to fuel financial needs. Also, I advocate for not supporting "the web" on purpose. I want to easily share and access information, not "have experiences" in my browser. That makes the goal relatively easy to achieve.

I have become convinced that advertisers are a huge problem and not fixable. Helping to destroy the advertising industry might become my primary activistic ambition.

craftyguy 9y ago

You can probably buy ads to get the word out.

cyborgx7 9y ago
ads against ads (like ads for installing ad blockers) is actually something I'm considering doing.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]

madez 9y ago

Count me in. But I'm not so much interested in destructive activity, but positive constructive change. Abandoning FireFox and spreading the word about it would be a good start to gain momentum for browsers that are loyal to the users independently of economic incentives. Let alone that Mozilla is using marketshare as a metric for FireFox tells me that they aren't the developer I want to have for my browser.

callahad 9y ago
> browsers that are loyal to the users independently of economic incentives ...and how are those browsers possibly sustainable? Creating a browser is incredibly expensive[0]. If you want reasonable compatibility with the de facto Web you have to build atop Chromium, WebKit, or Gecko, the availability of which is predicated on the financial stability of Google, Apple, or Mozilla respectively. By all means, use a third party browser if it better suits your needs, but there's no escaping the hard dependency on the business models you so vehemently oppose. [0]: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/12/maintaining-independent-browser-is.html http://robert.ocallahan.org/2017/12/maintaining-independent-...
- madez 9y ago
  The same could be said about operating systems and many other complex software projects. Advanced video and picture creation and manipulation, for example, and yet we have Kdenlive and GIMP. And we also have Debian and GCC and then some. None of them decided to take the route Mozilla has taken to fuel financial needs. Also, I advocate for not supporting "the web" on purpose. I want to easily share and access information, not "have experiences" in my browser. That makes the goal relatively easy to achieve.