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Man, I can stand behind this. You have no idea how distracting it is to the musicians on stage when they look at the crowd and see a bunch of cell phones facing

Man, I can stand behind this. You have no idea how distracting it is to the musicians on stage when they look at the crowd and see a bunch of cell phones facing them. I'd rather see everyone bored and talking. At least that's a genuine response. I feel it's quite disrespectful to be looking at your cellphone and recording while a performer is on stage. The performer is there for you, and you presumably went there to see them. Sometimes we make eye contact, and sometimes we look out to measure how we are doing. No feedback results breaks the uh... feedback loop. No big deal to do it for a few seconds, but a few seconds just doesn't happen. Besides, my purpose is to give you a few minutes to escape life, leave all your concerns, and be in a moment. Snap a pic, but turn off the flash and don't film. The recording quality sucks so it isn't like anyone is going to look at it understand half the experience anyways.

triangleman 9y ago
We need a new etiquette and I'm not sure our culture can support one right now. Video: A few seconds, once or twice, is ok. Photos: No flash photography Audio: Record the whole show if you want. Isn't that how most Phish music is distributed? I am fine with artists putting hard limits on their audience. If they believe it will improve their art, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. It might help or hurt them financially, in terms of fanbase, whatever. It's the artist who is taking the risk here, I say let him. Incidentally, I went to a local symphony concert recently and I got some serious evil-out-of-the-corner-of-the-eye from one of the patrons 3 rows in front of me, wearing a tweed coat. Apparently my hushed comment to my wife annoyed him. And then when the piece was over, right before the moment of applause, he let out a "mmm" like he had just consumed a great piece of chocolate cake or something. Now that was bad manners.
- dizzystar 9y ago
  I find it really depends on the venue and the audience. If you are playing to an audience of mostly musicians and music appreciation types, the cell phones are hardly seen. It's the general crowd who isn't really there for the music that are the types to record an entire show. I veer towards snobbery saying it like that, obviously, but it's like seeing two people at an art gallery. The one snapping pics of everything and running to the next piece isn't really there for the art. It's a tough balance since they are paying for whatever experience defines the experience for them.
  - test1235 9y ago
    >It's the general crowd who isn't really there for the music I guess it wouldn't be surprising to find that it'd be the people who are most interested in doing something or going somewhere so they could tell people about it, rather than for the experience itself.
- bonesss 9y ago
  > We need a new etiquette and I'm not sure our culture can support one right now. Given the improbability of anyone learning etiquette for anything, maybe what we need is something like the Total Perspective Vortex from HHGTTG: show these people their place in the crow, the impact on their fellow man, topped with a hefty dash of reality on how 'aint nobody got time' for your blurry concert photos.
- cptskippy 9y ago
  > We need a new etiquette and I'm not sure our culture can support one right now. Can't or won't? I think it's interesting that those with the poorest etiquette are actually older generations who have abandoned it almost entirely simply because portions of it became outdated. The younger generations who actually understand all of the new technology, social issues surrounding LGBTQ..., and the #MeToo banner wavers are, to me, the best people to establish new etiquette and to push for it's adoption. Etiquette is about decency and treating each other with respect and fairness. What better way to make your mark on history than to be the generation who chose mutual respect and fairness over greed and self indulgence.

triangleman 9y ago

We need a new etiquette and I'm not sure our culture can support one right now. Video: A few seconds, once or twice, is ok. Photos: No flash photography Audio: Record the whole show if you want. Isn't that how most Phish music is distributed? I am fine with artists putting hard limits on their audience. If they believe it will improve their art, let's give them the benefit of the doubt. It might help or hurt them financially, in terms of fanbase, whatever. It's the artist who is taking the risk here, I say let him. Incidentally, I went to a local symphony concert recently and I got some serious evil-out-of-the-corner-of-the-eye from one of the patrons 3 rows in front of me, wearing a tweed coat. Apparently my hushed comment to my wife annoyed him. And then when the piece was over, right before the moment of applause, he let out a "mmm" like he had just consumed a great piece of chocolate cake or something. Now that was bad manners.

dizzystar 9y ago
I find it really depends on the venue and the audience. If you are playing to an audience of mostly musicians and music appreciation types, the cell phones are hardly seen. It's the general crowd who isn't really there for the music that are the types to record an entire show. I veer towards snobbery saying it like that, obviously, but it's like seeing two people at an art gallery. The one snapping pics of everything and running to the next piece isn't really there for the art. It's a tough balance since they are paying for whatever experience defines the experience for them.
- test1235 9y ago
  >It's the general crowd who isn't really there for the music I guess it wouldn't be surprising to find that it'd be the people who are most interested in doing something or going somewhere so they could tell people about it, rather than for the experience itself.
bonesss 9y ago
> We need a new etiquette and I'm not sure our culture can support one right now. Given the improbability of anyone learning etiquette for anything, maybe what we need is something like the Total Perspective Vortex from HHGTTG: show these people their place in the crow, the impact on their fellow man, topped with a hefty dash of reality on how 'aint nobody got time' for your blurry concert photos.
cptskippy 9y ago
> We need a new etiquette and I'm not sure our culture can support one right now. Can't or won't? I think it's interesting that those with the poorest etiquette are actually older generations who have abandoned it almost entirely simply because portions of it became outdated. The younger generations who actually understand all of the new technology, social issues surrounding LGBTQ..., and the #MeToo banner wavers are, to me, the best people to establish new etiquette and to push for it's adoption. Etiquette is about decency and treating each other with respect and fairness. What better way to make your mark on history than to be the generation who chose mutual respect and fairness over greed and self indulgence.