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Well, no, clans are clans. A clan is a group united by a real or perceived kinship. It is a form of extended family. A tribe is a confederation of families th
by peterwwillis 9y ago
Well, no, clans are clans.
A clan is a group united by a real or perceived kinship. It is a form of extended family.
A tribe is a confederation of families that live closely with one another, have a common culture/dialect/ethnicity/etc, and a leader.
A state is a politically organized community that may or may not be sovereign.
A nation is an aggregate of people and/or communities united by common traits and living within a particular territory or country.
- krapp 9y agoPossibly worth noting - each of these is a coercive system which has some aspect of a "monopoly on violence," just at different levels of abstraction. So by that definition, a clan could be considered a degenerate form of state.
- peterwwillis 9y agoBy that definition, even a nuclear family is a degenerate form of state. Let's not foist frankenstein phrases on ill-fitting subjects to justify an invalid premise.
- krapp 9y agoI would agree that it is, although reasonable people can and probably would disagree. The most fundamental monopoly on coercion (and violence) is claimed by parents over their children.
- dfps 9y agoIsn't the important point here to do with the point at which an individual can, if they want to and are willing to spend the energy, alter a particular instance of disagreement? whereas in the Somali (or other non-government system), individuals can both effect particular justice according to a particular grievance, and individuals can effect what justice is done and how, individuals in our countries have no such ability, overwhelmed on basically every level by the power of the government?
- Robotbeat 9y ago> By that definition, even a nuclear family is a degenerate form of state. Indeed, it is. This is an ancient idea, going back to the Classical era at least.