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I just don’t buy that. Not every company has infinite head count. Universities for example only have so many spots they can offer. So if a university keeps 10%

I just don’t buy that. Not every company has infinite head count. Universities for example only have so many spots they can offer. So if a university keeps 10% of the spots for diversity candidates, then only 90% of the capacity is for diversity candidates. Compounded with non diversity candidates applying in a disproportionately high number to diversity. And the population of non diverse having a better education. You end up making it harder for non diverse candidates and raising their bar.

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
>You end up making it harder for non diverse candidates and raising their bar. You're right but that's fine. The argument though is that society has already imposed a 'higher bar' on "diverse candidates" (let's just be honest and call them minorities and the poor.) Think of it like this. A poor black girl named Keycia lives at home with her single mother and three siblings. She's studious but attends a bad public school, she works after school to help out at home, she takes care of her little brothers and sisters. Now compare to Chad, a white boy from an upper middle class family. He's also studious and also attends a public school but a good one with AP/IB classes, dual credit and so on. He doesn't work but he does play on one of the best lacrosse teams in the state and also swims. All of which is to say it's two kids both working hard. Now, even with diversity initiatives, who's got a better chance of getting into Stanford? Hell who's got a better chance of getting into Iowa State? Or even being able to attend? Diversity initiatives exist to put these two kids on even ground. That's what equality of opportunity means.
- xya3453 9y ago
  In an alternative universe, Chad is a poor white boy who lives at home with his single mother and three siblings. He's studious but attends a bad public school, he works after school to help out at home, he takes care of his little brothers and sisters. In this universe Keycia is a black girl from an upper middle class family. She's also studious and also attends a public school but a good one with AP/IB classes, dual credit and so on. She doesn't work but she does play on one of the best lacrosse teams in the state and also swims. Now, with diversity initiatives that are geared against Chad and in Keycia's favour, who's got a better chance of getting into Stanford?
  - frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
    Sure! But that's an argument for more complex diversity initiatives (race, gender, AND poverty) which I'm totally fine with.
  - kthejoker2 9y ago
    I'm perfectly happy for Stanford to only be allowed to educate poor students with a racial population proportional to the US at large.

frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago

>You end up making it harder for non diverse candidates and raising their bar. You're right but that's fine. The argument though is that society has already imposed a 'higher bar' on "diverse candidates" (let's just be honest and call them minorities and the poor.) Think of it like this. A poor black girl named Keycia lives at home with her single mother and three siblings. She's studious but attends a bad public school, she works after school to help out at home, she takes care of her little brothers and sisters. Now compare to Chad, a white boy from an upper middle class family. He's also studious and also attends a public school but a good one with AP/IB classes, dual credit and so on. He doesn't work but he does play on one of the best lacrosse teams in the state and also swims. All of which is to say it's two kids both working hard. Now, even with diversity initiatives, who's got a better chance of getting into Stanford? Hell who's got a better chance of getting into Iowa State? Or even being able to attend? Diversity initiatives exist to put these two kids on even ground. That's what equality of opportunity means.

xya3453 9y ago
In an alternative universe, Chad is a poor white boy who lives at home with his single mother and three siblings. He's studious but attends a bad public school, he works after school to help out at home, he takes care of his little brothers and sisters. In this universe Keycia is a black girl from an upper middle class family. She's also studious and also attends a public school but a good one with AP/IB classes, dual credit and so on. She doesn't work but she does play on one of the best lacrosse teams in the state and also swims. Now, with diversity initiatives that are geared against Chad and in Keycia's favour, who's got a better chance of getting into Stanford?
- frgtpsswrdlame 9y ago
  Sure! But that's an argument for more complex diversity initiatives (race, gender, AND poverty) which I'm totally fine with.
- kthejoker2 9y ago
  I'm perfectly happy for Stanford to only be allowed to educate poor students with a racial population proportional to the US at large.