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FAN! FUCKING! TASTIC! Sorry, I'm aware that yelling is not appreciated, but this is a really cool idea. There's hardly anything more annoying at gigs than tho
by CaptainZapp 9y ago
FAN! FUCKING! TASTIC!
Sorry, I'm aware that yelling is not appreciated, but this is a really cool idea.
There's hardly anything more annoying at gigs than those dunces in front of you recording some ultra-shitty video that nobody ever looks at.
Those small screens are a real distraction and phones also don't really serve as substitutes for lighters used, when Led Zeppelin started with Stairway to Heaven.
A rant about this specific song is reserved for another comment.
- keb_ 9y agoI disagree. I often watch and enjoy crummy-quality bootlegs of bands I could never see live. Sometimes bootlegs even capture of the intensity of a live performance better than a professional multi-camera setup ever can.
- 8_hours_ago 9y agoI too enjoy crummy-quality bootlegs of bands occasionally, but there are already enough of those videos of Jack White. He’s at the point in his career where he can ban phones without noticeably affecting the amount of bootleg videos of his performances.
- zimpenfish 9y ago> There's hardly anything more annoying at gigs than those dunces in front of you recording some ultra-shitty video that nobody ever looks at. Au contraire. The people on either side having a conversation about their weekend dinner party whilst Lisa Gerrard does a quiet solo piece are infinitely more annoying than any camera phone. Or a lady with big hair in the first 3 rows sitting on someone's shoulders and blocking out half the stage for half the crowd.
- TallGuyShort 9y agoWhich is why they also have ushers whose job it is to move those conversations out of the concert hall. I'm not sure why you disagree with someone talking about Led Zeppelin based on your experience with Lisa Gerrard...
- monksy 9y agoThat's where I'm 100% with you. That's what they're there for.
- zimpenfish 9y ago> Which is why they also have ushers whose job it is to move those conversations out of the concert hall. I've been to triple-digit number of gigs and that has never happened. Not once. Perhaps it's peculiar to the UK but still.
- TallGuyShort 9y agoAnd you'd complain if an artist insisted on ushers doing that? I get the feeling you're just trying to drop how many non-mainstream music events you go to.
- WalterSear 9y agoI've never seen it either, at triple-digit gigs in the US. It's BS - people just have a hard-on for punishing new social behaviours in others, that they don't partake in themselves. The old disruptions are 'well, what can you do?', while the new disruption are all 'think of the children!' Otherwise, they would be trying to accomodate cell phone users, and arrange things so their behaviour was less disruptive to others, rather than fighting them outright. Cell phone usage at concerts is the equivalent of taping, and people have set up dedicated taping sections at music events in the past.
- monksy 9y agoI've seen tons of people kicked out of venues. Most of the time the ushers are good enough to not disturb the event further when they do it.
- DrScump 9y agoIt depends on policy of the venue and artist and can vary. For example, a lot of concerts at SAP Arena are literally called "Zero Enforcement" where ushers are disallowed to intervene in any inter-patron situation outside of medical emergency. It ends up being a Lord of the Flies situation where the fittest do (or stop) what they want.
- SubiculumCode 9y agoDCD!
- slantyyz 9y agoWhy does it have to be either/or? Why not ask people not to talk disruptively and disallow people from sitting on someone's shoulders in addition to the phone ban?
- hashkb 9y agoBecause they will break any rule you set. People at concerts are inebriated and uninhibited. That's the point. So you do actually have to physically enforce any rules you want to exist at a rock show.
- slantyyz 9y agoWell it's a chicken and egg thing. If rules are never enforced at concerts, people will continue to break the rules thinking nothing will happen to them. If rules tend to be consistently enforced and people know they run the risk of being ejected from a concert, people might be more likely to behave a little more.
- otempomores 9y agoDear god how i long for a well behaved rock concert
- zimpenfish 9y agoIt doesn't (although I don't agree with the phone ban anyway) but GP specifically made a point of claiming there was hardly anything more annoying and, in my experience, that's just not true. Consider it an Anecdata Pebble.
- valuearb 9y agoProblem is you have to find an usher. Then the usher has to be willing to do something. Then the person and their friends have to be adult enough not to start harassing you for it. And if they try to assault you, you need to be able to defend yourself and your date/friends. That's why most people do nothing and concerts get worse.
- jonnycomputer 9y agoplus 1 for mentioning Lisa Gerrard.
- gt_ 9y agoMusicians need all the coverage they can get and we can probably only expect this from big name artists like Jack White.
- ken 9y agoThis seems to be common knowledge, somehow, but I've never seen it myself. Maybe it depends on the type of music, or musician. I perform with a couple groups you've never heard of, and I hate seeing cell phones at performances. I'm just trying to perform, not be discovered.
- notyourday 9y agoIn this case I'm curious: why do you need to do it in a venue? Why not in a garage/apartment/wherever no one can bother you?
- Kiro 9y ago> that nobody ever looks at While I agree with your comment I do watch a lot of these. In electronic music "IDs" are a big thing and it's a big culture around identifying new tracks DJs play, which you mostly get from these kind of clips.
- CaptainZapp 9y agoThanks, I didn't know that.
- tuxracer 9y agoIf you have the context of having been there then those ultra-shitty videos are more like a trigger for your own memory of that moment to help you relive a really good time. It's a phenomenon similar to how certain smells bring people right back to some moment. It might not be for you but I wouldn't get too indignant about it if others indulge.
- CaptainZapp 9y agoOk, I can appreciate that, but, from the article: "For those looking to do some social media postings, let us help you with that. Our official tour photographer will be posting photos and videos after the show at jackwhiteiii.com and the new Jack White Live Instagram account @officialjackwhitelive. Repost our photos & videos as much as you want and enjoy a phone-free, 100% human experience.” So you won't only get your memento, you'll get it professionally produced and in much better quality, without being a pain to all those who really hate that. That the media is freely distributable is a nice touch too.
- collyw 9y agoSeems like an ideal compromise.
- epicide 9y agoThis makes sense and is an unfortunate loss for those individuals that would've gotten something out of the video. However, it seems like phone presence is still doing more harm than good. Sometimes, the best memories you have are the ones that you can't perfectly recall. You get to keep it as perfect as you'd like to remember it.
- CaptainZapp 9y agoSometimes, the best memories you have are the ones that you can't perfectly recall. You get to keep it as perfect as you'd like to remember it. This is completely off-topic, but: Thank you for this comment. I can't quite explain it, but it touched something deep down inside
- Nullabillity 9y agoMaybe it'd be reasonable if the show actually started at the posted time, rather than first spending multiple hours on horrible-to-mediocre opening acts and breaks. If people are openly bored at your shows then it's probably time to reevaluate how you're running things, rather than getting into shouting matches on Twitter.
- ChrisRR 9y agoHe's talking about people recording the gig on their phone, not playing angry birds.
- jonnycomputer 9y agopersonally i don't think Jack cares that its being recorded. he wants an audience.
- Nullabillity 9y agoBut this policy hurts both.
- disantlor 9y agojust show up later? the person you're trying to see was one of those opening acts once
- Nullabillity 9y ago> just show up later? When? The tickets usually don't say "oh yeah, the show scheduled for 20:00 actually starts 22:13".
- monksy 9y agoOr that the opening act starts at 22:40.
- disantlor 9y agoi dont know, an hour, two hours late? what do you expect, push notifications when the headlining band is tuning their instruments? show up an hour or two late and at worst see a little bit more of the opening band or a little less of the main act.
- oneeyedpigeon 9y agoIf this policy were blanket, we wouldn't have things like this [1][2], a crowd-sourced film, pieced together from many individual audience recordings, which won a Live Production of The Year award. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Praha_(Radiohead_video) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_in_Praha_(Radiohead_video... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKHJkA8keg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzKHJkA8keg
- CaptainZapp 9y agoThanks for that, I didn't know that and will certainly check it out. But here's the rub (or actually a very good thing): "Radiohead contributed their own audio masters of the show." That's really amazing, but also indicates (not necessarily, I grant that. The article doesn't say) that the project was actually planned and that the band and audience were in for it from the start.
- oneeyedpigeon 9y agoFair point. I believe it was actually after the fact, and the fans approached Radiohead for the soundboard recording, but I Might Be Wrong.
- CaptainZapp 9y agoI really don't know. But in any case I really thank you for the links. It's great when shit like that gets real. And probably not only the fans that were at the gig, but a ton of other people will have a pleasurable experience with the result (and respect that band even more).
- ascagnel_ 9y agoThe NME article [0] referenced by Wikipedia makes it sound like the band was aware of the project before the concert: > The group allowed a show in Prague in August last year to be filmed from a variety of angles throughout, and then provided soundboard masters for the film’s soundtrack. [0] http://www.nme.com/news/music/radiohead-317-1302641 http://www.nme.com/news/music/radiohead-317-1302641
- liberte82 9y agoI remember maybe 20 or so years ago, reading about how Japanese tourists visiting America would tend to look at landmarks through their camera lens rather than looking at it for real. It was considered a bizarre phenomenon at the time and the theory was that they found it more 'real' to look at through their technology than seeing it with their own eyes. I remember finding it really fascinating and strange, and now such a thing is so normal. I completely agree that no one ever watches those videos, but it appears that capturing the experience has become in many cases more important than the experience itself.
- pault 9y agoJust one of the many ways that Japan is just America 20 years in the future.
- ghaff 9y agoI don't know the psychology but, yeah, everyone has turned into the (virtual) shutter button clicking fanatics that was a Japanese peculiarity 20 years ago. And it wasn't just vacation pictures. There would be photos at all sorts of work events and day to day activities that Americans rarely photographed. I needed one or two in situ pictures of me doing computer stuff from past times and I had almost nothing I could pull out.
- madengr 9y agoStairway to the Burn Unit
- steveax 9y agoAnd don’t even get me started about folks taking pictures from 100 feet away with their effing strobes turned on.
- collyw 9y agoI have been tempted to do a website along the lines of "guess the concert". Seriously, when people post this crap on facebook it all looks the same, a stage, some lights figures too small to make out who they are and some crap quality sound. Posting this shit is utterly pointless.
- rconti 9y agoI'm sorry you choose to be annoyed at this. Most/many of us simply don't care about things that don't impact us.