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I'm glad to hear that your violent revenge would stop just short of murder. Brave talk from a man who hasn't lost much I never said I wouldn't kill you if you

by tkahn6 16y ago

I'm glad to hear that your violent revenge would stop just short of murder. Brave talk from a man who hasn't lost much I never said I wouldn't kill you if you killed my friends and family. Murdering random people in response to your actions is not only morally wrong, but also stupid and throughly irrational. You are apologizing for people who do this because you claim it's "a natural human response". Killing random people is not a natural human response; in my opinion, it's the response of a psychopath.

MichaelSalib 16y ago
it's the response of a psychopath Perhaps. But I don't think you are very familiar with history. I've read many accounts of soldiers, including American soldiers, killing random people because their friends were killed. In general, such people do not face discipline. In fact, there are many Americans who urged the killing of completely arbitrary Arabs or Muslims in revenge -- many of these people are politicians. My point is: this sort of psychopathy is quite common and very well accepted in society provided it is directed against out-groups.
- tkahn6 16y ago
  Perhaps. But I don't think you are very familiar with history. I've read many accounts of soldiers, including American soldiers, killing random people because their friends were killed. In general, such people do not face discipline. In fact, there are many Americans who urged the killing of completely arbitrary Arabs or Muslims in revenge -- many of these people are politicians. Soldiers are court-martialed and arrested for killing civilians. http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jul/13/no-prisoners-america-at-war/ http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jul/13/no-prisoner... (scroll to bottom) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/16/usa.iraq1 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/16/usa.iraq1 http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-07-09-us-cases_x.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-07-09-us-cases_... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,222220,00.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,222220,00.html Just because not all are found out and tried does not mean it is condoned by the military or US society. You clearly have your own dogmatic view regarding US foreign policy and attitudes towards Muslims and I can't really argue with someone who has an almost religious belief in a point of view.
  - MichaelSalib 16y ago
    Soldiers are court-martialed and arrested for killing civilians. Sometimes they are. Oftentimes they are not. The fact that some are does not prove that regulations prohibiting the killing civilians are uniformly or frequently enforced. Anecdote is not the plural of data. Surely you see that? Just because not all are found out and tried does not mean it is condoned by the military or US society. I'd say that when high ranking political figures publicly advocate the killing of innocent people in revenge for the crimes of others without any sanction at all, then...yes, that does imply that American society condones their behavior. You clearly have your own dogmatic view regarding US foreign policy and attitudes towards Muslims and I can't really argue with someone who has an almost religious belief in a point of view. For someone with "almost religious beliefs", I seem to do a very good job justifying my arguments with evidence. Perhaps that is the main difficulty you face in discussions here. Speaking as someone who almost joined the military and who who has read and studied a great deal in order to understand how military organizations function in practice, I don't think you're knowledgeable enough on the subject to effectively participate in discussion here.

by tkahn6 16y ago

MichaelSalib 16y ago

it's the response of a psychopath Perhaps. But I don't think you are very familiar with history. I've read many accounts of soldiers, including American soldiers, killing random people because their friends were killed. In general, such people do not face discipline. In fact, there are many Americans who urged the killing of completely arbitrary Arabs or Muslims in revenge -- many of these people are politicians. My point is: this sort of psychopathy is quite common and very well accepted in society provided it is directed against out-groups.

tkahn6 16y ago
Perhaps. But I don't think you are very familiar with history. I've read many accounts of soldiers, including American soldiers, killing random people because their friends were killed. In general, such people do not face discipline. In fact, there are many Americans who urged the killing of completely arbitrary Arabs or Muslims in revenge -- many of these people are politicians. Soldiers are court-martialed and arrested for killing civilians. http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jul/13/no-prisoners-america-at-war/ http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/jul/13/no-prisoner... (scroll to bottom) http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/16/usa.iraq1 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/nov/16/usa.iraq1 http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-07-09-us-cases_x.htm http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2006-07-09-us-cases_... http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,222220,00.html http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,222220,00.html Just because not all are found out and tried does not mean it is condoned by the military or US society. You clearly have your own dogmatic view regarding US foreign policy and attitudes towards Muslims and I can't really argue with someone who has an almost religious belief in a point of view.
- MichaelSalib 16y ago
  Soldiers are court-martialed and arrested for killing civilians. Sometimes they are. Oftentimes they are not. The fact that some are does not prove that regulations prohibiting the killing civilians are uniformly or frequently enforced. Anecdote is not the plural of data. Surely you see that? Just because not all are found out and tried does not mean it is condoned by the military or US society. I'd say that when high ranking political figures publicly advocate the killing of innocent people in revenge for the crimes of others without any sanction at all, then...yes, that does imply that American society condones their behavior. You clearly have your own dogmatic view regarding US foreign policy and attitudes towards Muslims and I can't really argue with someone who has an almost religious belief in a point of view. For someone with "almost religious beliefs", I seem to do a very good job justifying my arguments with evidence. Perhaps that is the main difficulty you face in discussions here. Speaking as someone who almost joined the military and who who has read and studied a great deal in order to understand how military organizations function in practice, I don't think you're knowledgeable enough on the subject to effectively participate in discussion here.