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>Policing in America is racist. Citation needed. Cops visit black neighborhoods more, sure. But they do that because they commit vastly more crime. Which is th

>Policing in America is racist. Citation needed. Cops visit black neighborhoods more, sure. But they do that because they commit vastly more crime. Which is the cause and which the effect? It's also a lot more complicated than that. People throw out studies that blacks are more likely to be caught for drug crimes. But they are less likely to be caught for more serious crimes. Possibly because they trust police less and are less likely to volunteer as witnesses. E.g. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-underpolicing-of-black-america-1422049080 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-underpolicing-of-black-amer...

delhanty 9y ago
>But they do that because they commit vastly more crime. Citation needed
- Melchizedek 9y ago
  >The sun goes up in the morning. Citation needed It's would be difficult to have a discussion if you had to provide citations for every single well known fact.
  - delhanty 9y ago
    Which is the more contentious statement? A. Blacks commit vastly more crime. B. The sun goes up in the morning.
pimmen 9y ago
When you make judgements about individuals based on their race and not their individual actions you're being racist. It's as simple as that. This is what the paper is looking at. You can argue for being racist if you want but you can't say "it's not racist, because 'racist' is a word with bad connotations and I think what they do is good" without being called out on it.
- Houshalter 9y ago
  >When you make judgements about individuals based on their race No one is doing that. The algorithm does not take race into account. It's just an assertion that it uses other factors as a proxy for race. I've not seen this proven anywhere. And indeed, if it were true, you would have to admit that blacks are more likely to be criminals. Even after controlling for all relevant variables. Which goes against the standard narrative that it's just socioeconomic status or whatever. >you can't say "it's not racist, because 'racist' is a word with bad connotations and I think what they do is good" without being called out on it. It isn't racist. And the word racist is becoming almost meaningless because how often you overuse it.

delhanty 9y ago

>But they do that because they commit vastly more crime. Citation needed

Melchizedek 9y ago
>The sun goes up in the morning. Citation needed It's would be difficult to have a discussion if you had to provide citations for every single well known fact.
- delhanty 9y ago
  Which is the more contentious statement? A. Blacks commit vastly more crime. B. The sun goes up in the morning.

pimmen 9y ago

When you make judgements about individuals based on their race and not their individual actions you're being racist. It's as simple as that. This is what the paper is looking at. You can argue for being racist if you want but you can't say "it's not racist, because 'racist' is a word with bad connotations and I think what they do is good" without being called out on it.

Houshalter 9y ago
>When you make judgements about individuals based on their race No one is doing that. The algorithm does not take race into account. It's just an assertion that it uses other factors as a proxy for race. I've not seen this proven anywhere. And indeed, if it were true, you would have to admit that blacks are more likely to be criminals. Even after controlling for all relevant variables. Which goes against the standard narrative that it's just socioeconomic status or whatever. >you can't say "it's not racist, because 'racist' is a word with bad connotations and I think what they do is good" without being called out on it. It isn't racist. And the word racist is becoming almost meaningless because how often you overuse it.