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As an Angel investor on the Eve project even though I lost my investment, I think that Chris, Robert and the whole team deserve recognition as they changed the

As an Angel investor on the Eve project even though I lost my investment, I think that Chris, Robert and the whole team deserve recognition as they changed the whole industry, and now everyone is following them. I am proud to have had the chance to be involved with them!

adwn 9y ago
> as they changed the whole industry Huh? What industry are you talking about? The software development industry? Their influence was not even a rounding error. The let's-rethink-programming-completely industry? No idea, but that's not really an industry.
- zubairq 9y ago
  They influenced swift and a whole bunch of other interactive IDEs with the research they did. Don’t use iPhone or Android if you don’t want to use these new languages
  - adwn 9y ago
    > [...] if you don’t want to use these new languages I'm stumped – where is that suddenly coming from now? When did I say anything about not wanting to use Swift?
    - zubairq 9y ago
      Light table/eve was one of the influences for swift
      - diggan 9y ago
        The only quote I can find about swift and Light Table is this: > The Xcode Playgrounds feature and REPL were a personal passion of mine, to make programming more interactive and approachable. The Xcode and LLDB teams have done a phenomenal job turning crazy ideas into something truly great. Playgrounds were heavily influenced by Bret Victor's ideas, by Light Table and by many other interactive systems. From: http://nondot.org/sabre/ http://nondot.org/sabre/ And that just mentions "Playgrounds", which seems to be some sort of editor application written in Swift. It did not inspire Swift itself. And also, Swift hardly "changed the whole industry", as far as I know.
        zubairq 9y ago
        Yeah your right. Swift didn’t change anything
        adwn 9y ago
        >> And also, Swift hardly "changed the whole industry", as far as I know. > Yeah your right. Swift didn’t change anything This is the second time in this comment thread that you have strongly misrepresented something said by someone else. For the sake of a rational discussion, please refrain from such behavior in the future.
        zubairq 9y ago
        Yes, your right too. I'm a naughty boy :)
        zubairq 9y ago
        Nice link by the way. I was more referring to this published by The Atlantic (incidently owned by Steve Jobs family trust): https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/saving-the-world-from-code/540393/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/savin... https://www.recode.net/2017/7/28/16055162/laurene-powell-jobs-acquired-atlantic-magazine-publisher-steve-widow-philanthropist-nonprofit https://www.recode.net/2017/7/28/16055162/laurene-powell-job... Sorry this thread flamed up a bit. I was just trying to express my gratitude to the Eve guys
        diggan 9y ago
        No worries, I understand and have gratitude towards the folks working on it as well. But I don't agree with that they changed the entire industry. The second link you posted mentions nothing of Swift. The first one has the following quote about Swift: > The default language for making new iPhone and Mac apps, called Swift, was developed by Apple from the ground up to support an environment, called Playgrounds, that was directly inspired by Light Table. Which seems to agree with the previous quote I posted. Light Table inspired Playgrounds, not Swift.
- wozer 9y ago
  Some evidence for influence: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/saving-the-world-from-code/540393/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/savin... But they did, of course, not change the industry. Unfortunately.
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adwn 9y ago

> as they changed the whole industry Huh? What industry are you talking about? The software development industry? Their influence was not even a rounding error. The let's-rethink-programming-completely industry? No idea, but that's not really an industry.

zubairq 9y ago
They influenced swift and a whole bunch of other interactive IDEs with the research they did. Don’t use iPhone or Android if you don’t want to use these new languages
- adwn 9y ago
  > [...] if you don’t want to use these new languages I'm stumped – where is that suddenly coming from now? When did I say anything about not wanting to use Swift?
  - zubairq 9y ago
    Light table/eve was one of the influences for swift
    - diggan 9y ago
      The only quote I can find about swift and Light Table is this: > The Xcode Playgrounds feature and REPL were a personal passion of mine, to make programming more interactive and approachable. The Xcode and LLDB teams have done a phenomenal job turning crazy ideas into something truly great. Playgrounds were heavily influenced by Bret Victor's ideas, by Light Table and by many other interactive systems. From: http://nondot.org/sabre/ http://nondot.org/sabre/ And that just mentions "Playgrounds", which seems to be some sort of editor application written in Swift. It did not inspire Swift itself. And also, Swift hardly "changed the whole industry", as far as I know.
      - zubairq 9y ago
        Yeah your right. Swift didn’t change anything
        adwn 9y ago
        >> And also, Swift hardly "changed the whole industry", as far as I know. > Yeah your right. Swift didn’t change anything This is the second time in this comment thread that you have strongly misrepresented something said by someone else. For the sake of a rational discussion, please refrain from such behavior in the future.
        zubairq 9y ago
        Yes, your right too. I'm a naughty boy :)
      - zubairq 9y ago
        Nice link by the way. I was more referring to this published by The Atlantic (incidently owned by Steve Jobs family trust): https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/saving-the-world-from-code/540393/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/savin... https://www.recode.net/2017/7/28/16055162/laurene-powell-jobs-acquired-atlantic-magazine-publisher-steve-widow-philanthropist-nonprofit https://www.recode.net/2017/7/28/16055162/laurene-powell-job... Sorry this thread flamed up a bit. I was just trying to express my gratitude to the Eve guys
        diggan 9y ago
        No worries, I understand and have gratitude towards the folks working on it as well. But I don't agree with that they changed the entire industry. The second link you posted mentions nothing of Swift. The first one has the following quote about Swift: > The default language for making new iPhone and Mac apps, called Swift, was developed by Apple from the ground up to support an environment, called Playgrounds, that was directly inspired by Light Table. Which seems to agree with the previous quote I posted. Light Table inspired Playgrounds, not Swift.
wozer 9y ago
Some evidence for influence: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/saving-the-world-from-code/540393/ https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/09/savin... But they did, of course, not change the industry. Unfortunately.

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