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No one is putting a gun to these people's heads and making them do these tasks. I believe both sides are to blame. The employer for asking the job to be done fo

No one is putting a gun to these people's heads and making them do these tasks. I believe both sides are to blame. The employer for asking the job to be done for basically nothing and the fool who agrees to it.

throaway42342 9y ago
>No one is putting a gun to these people's heads and making them do these tasks Well actually your taxes subsidy major tech companies like Intel and Google, if you do not work and eat you will die, if you work and refuse to pay subsidies through taxes to major tech companies, the IRS will show up at your door, if you do not answer them, you will get a gun pointed at your head.
- Ascetik 9y ago
  Your argument is a total non-sequitur. No one said they shouldn't work, but they shouldn't work for an unjust wage at completely extortionate wages that are highly unjust. It's essentially labor theft.
stuaxo 9y ago
If it is the only job going then it's not much of a choice.
- Ascetik 9y ago
  There's always a choice.
  - IntronExon 9y ago
    Words mean something based on context, and in this context dying in penury is so universally undesirable that it represents no real choice. Plomo o plata is technically a choice, but we’re not cruel or stupid enough to allow it be a choice offered to people.
    - jfaat 9y ago
      Did you mean ‘plomo o plata’?
      - IntronExon 9y ago
        I did, it would seem that my spellchecker didn’t. Thanks!
LarryDarrell 9y ago
Desperate people are to blame for being desperate?
- dandare 9y ago
  So your solution is to take away the job from them? Apparently, the minimum wage laws squeezed them out of the job market and the unregulated online job is their only hope. Or did I miss the part where you volunteered to subsidize their low-value low-skill job? Wait, I know, your solution is to force ME to subsidize their low-value low-skill job, am I right? :D
  - atonse 9y ago
    Please cite where they said that minimum wage laws cost these people their jobs. If you can’t afford to pay someone an already offensively low cost of $7.25 an hour or even $15 an hour, I mean, how badly is your business being run?
    - Ascetik 9y ago
      Exactly! This is essentially wild-west sweatshop extortion that is exploiting desperate people. It is totally unethical and unjust. These companies should be offering a reasonable wage for a reasonable amount of work. Not 0.80$ for an hour of work (that is totally unjust).
  - chockZ 9y ago
    Don't I already subsidize them by paying taxes? Large tech companies get subsidized by tax incentives which get offset by the taxes I pay. My taxes also go towards food and housing subsidies for those living below poverty levels.
  - AlexandrB 9y ago
    > Apparently, the minimum wage laws squeezed them out of the job market... Actually the disconnect between productivity and pay [1] probably squeezed them out of the job marker. When workers are producing more, but not making more money, there's no one to buy all the extra goods and services they produce. Companies and investors end up banking all the excess instead of investing in additional production. > ...and the unregulated online job is their only hope. So supply-side economics has failed (as predicted), but the solution is to revert to industrial revolution era labor laws? That doesn't really follow. > Wait, I know, your solution is to force ME to subsidize their low-value low-skill job, am I right? Well why not? Everybody else is already subsidizing your "high-value, high-skill" job through limits on skilled immigration and stringent IP laws. Share and share alike, right? [1] http://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ http://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/
geezerjay 9y ago
> No one is putting a gun to these people's heads and making them do these tasks. ...mainly because the ones who refused were fired or let go to make room for those who won't.

throaway42342 9y ago

>No one is putting a gun to these people's heads and making them do these tasks Well actually your taxes subsidy major tech companies like Intel and Google, if you do not work and eat you will die, if you work and refuse to pay subsidies through taxes to major tech companies, the IRS will show up at your door, if you do not answer them, you will get a gun pointed at your head.

Ascetik 9y ago
Your argument is a total non-sequitur. No one said they shouldn't work, but they shouldn't work for an unjust wage at completely extortionate wages that are highly unjust. It's essentially labor theft.

stuaxo 9y ago

If it is the only job going then it's not much of a choice.

Ascetik 9y ago
There's always a choice.
- IntronExon 9y ago
  Words mean something based on context, and in this context dying in penury is so universally undesirable that it represents no real choice. Plomo o plata is technically a choice, but we’re not cruel or stupid enough to allow it be a choice offered to people.
  - jfaat 9y ago
    Did you mean ‘plomo o plata’?
    - IntronExon 9y ago
      I did, it would seem that my spellchecker didn’t. Thanks!

LarryDarrell 9y ago

Desperate people are to blame for being desperate?

dandare 9y ago
So your solution is to take away the job from them? Apparently, the minimum wage laws squeezed them out of the job market and the unregulated online job is their only hope. Or did I miss the part where you volunteered to subsidize their low-value low-skill job? Wait, I know, your solution is to force ME to subsidize their low-value low-skill job, am I right? :D
- atonse 9y ago
  Please cite where they said that minimum wage laws cost these people their jobs. If you can’t afford to pay someone an already offensively low cost of $7.25 an hour or even $15 an hour, I mean, how badly is your business being run?
  - Ascetik 9y ago
    Exactly! This is essentially wild-west sweatshop extortion that is exploiting desperate people. It is totally unethical and unjust. These companies should be offering a reasonable wage for a reasonable amount of work. Not 0.80$ for an hour of work (that is totally unjust).
- chockZ 9y ago
  Don't I already subsidize them by paying taxes? Large tech companies get subsidized by tax incentives which get offset by the taxes I pay. My taxes also go towards food and housing subsidies for those living below poverty levels.
- AlexandrB 9y ago
  > Apparently, the minimum wage laws squeezed them out of the job market... Actually the disconnect between productivity and pay [1] probably squeezed them out of the job marker. When workers are producing more, but not making more money, there's no one to buy all the extra goods and services they produce. Companies and investors end up banking all the excess instead of investing in additional production. > ...and the unregulated online job is their only hope. So supply-side economics has failed (as predicted), but the solution is to revert to industrial revolution era labor laws? That doesn't really follow. > Wait, I know, your solution is to force ME to subsidize their low-value low-skill job, am I right? Well why not? Everybody else is already subsidizing your "high-value, high-skill" job through limits on skilled immigration and stringent IP laws. Share and share alike, right? [1] http://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/ http://www.epi.org/productivity-pay-gap/

geezerjay 9y ago

> No one is putting a gun to these people's heads and making them do these tasks. ...mainly because the ones who refused were fired or let go to make room for those who won't.