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> Furthermore, any AMD high performance GPU will not be obtainable if the cryptocurrency mining market stays like it is Isn't that a good thing from AMD's pers

> Furthermore, any AMD high performance GPU will not be obtainable if the cryptocurrency mining market stays like it is Isn't that a good thing from AMD's perspective? "People can't get our GPUs because they're sold out everywhere" seems like a nice problem to have.

Nursie 9y ago
It's definitely not in the same problem class as "Nobody is buying our product" But it risks them having much of a position in the gaming market, long term. And right now whilst the mining market is lucrative, I would be trying to cater to the gaming market too, for longer term stability.
gruez 9y ago
If crytpocurrency prices tank, those mining GPUs will flood the second hand market, depressing demand for new GPUs. This will be exacerbated by the fact that they don't have any new/faster products (nothing announced for 2018); why buy new when you could get 80-100% of the performance for 50% of the price?
- ams6110 9y ago
  Corporate, government, academic enterprise customers don't buy 2nd hand hardware. They should focus there. Trying to battle in the consumer GPU market would be much harder IMO.
  - gruez 9y ago
    and what do Corporate, government, academic enterprise customers use graphics cards for? machine learning and 3d rendering (like CAD). that's not a very big market compared to the (hundreds of?) millions PC gamers out there.
- DCKing 9y ago
  It's interesting AMD and Nvidia have no specific consumer GPU tech announced for 2018. It makes sense too. AMD's cards are all sold out all the time - it seems they cannot produce enough to meet the market demand. There are rumors of them using a 12nm process better tailored for high power components like GPUs (their current 14nm process is apparently tailored for smartphone chips), but they don't need to. They will sell everything they can make anyway. Nvidia basically also sells everything they have - Nvidia cards in general mine worse but are still profitable if you can't get AMD. Moreover, AMD is barely competitive with their current offerings (especially in performance per watt), so even without mining they have no compelling reason to start pushing new GPUs. There's no incentive at the moment to release new GPUs. Hell, Nvidia and especially AMD could be wise to take some time and restrategize to specifically start catering to the new cryptocurrency market. Find ways to produce more rather than faster cards. It's a stale market, and will likely continue to be so in the near future.

Nursie 9y ago

It's definitely not in the same problem class as "Nobody is buying our product" But it risks them having much of a position in the gaming market, long term. And right now whilst the mining market is lucrative, I would be trying to cater to the gaming market too, for longer term stability.

gruez 9y ago

If crytpocurrency prices tank, those mining GPUs will flood the second hand market, depressing demand for new GPUs. This will be exacerbated by the fact that they don't have any new/faster products (nothing announced for 2018); why buy new when you could get 80-100% of the performance for 50% of the price?

ams6110 9y ago
Corporate, government, academic enterprise customers don't buy 2nd hand hardware. They should focus there. Trying to battle in the consumer GPU market would be much harder IMO.
- gruez 9y ago
  and what do Corporate, government, academic enterprise customers use graphics cards for? machine learning and 3d rendering (like CAD). that's not a very big market compared to the (hundreds of?) millions PC gamers out there.
DCKing 9y ago
It's interesting AMD and Nvidia have no specific consumer GPU tech announced for 2018. It makes sense too. AMD's cards are all sold out all the time - it seems they cannot produce enough to meet the market demand. There are rumors of them using a 12nm process better tailored for high power components like GPUs (their current 14nm process is apparently tailored for smartphone chips), but they don't need to. They will sell everything they can make anyway. Nvidia basically also sells everything they have - Nvidia cards in general mine worse but are still profitable if you can't get AMD. Moreover, AMD is barely competitive with their current offerings (especially in performance per watt), so even without mining they have no compelling reason to start pushing new GPUs. There's no incentive at the moment to release new GPUs. Hell, Nvidia and especially AMD could be wise to take some time and restrategize to specifically start catering to the new cryptocurrency market. Find ways to produce more rather than faster cards. It's a stale market, and will likely continue to be so in the near future.