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> You have to a) pay to open up a channel with each person you wish to use it This simply isn't true. You open one channel and then payments are routed over ch
by nikcub 9y ago
> You have to a) pay to open up a channel with each person you wish to use it
This simply isn't true. You open one channel and then payments are routed over channels to your destination. It's no different to TCP/IP in this way and the reason why that analogy is used a lot in describing the network
Having a one channel single destination can be done with Bitcoin alone and the new timelock transactions - the purpose of lightning is automating these transacations and the routing between channels
Opening a channel in lightning is no different to having a balance in a wallet or a bank account - you don't notice that it is "locked". Channels can also create other channels using channel factories[0]. This all happens under the hood much in the same way somebody accessing YouTube knows little about routing infrastructure.
There really is a lot of FUD about Lightning and they get repeated a lot by people who should know better. There is now a series of simple infographics that explain what Lightning is and how it works so there shouldn't be any more excuses for such simple misinformation being repeated[1][2][3][4][5]
Your specific claim about one channel = one receiver is addressed in [5]
I think the HN audience should go out and try it themselves and read the paper. It's the most eye-opening tech experience i've had since reading the Bitcoin white paper.
If you've been kicking yourself about not getting into Bitcoin early - you have a new opportunity with Lightning now. There are only hundreds of nodes at the moment and only a couple of vendors accepting payments on the testnet and a ton of opportunity to build an entirely new infrastructure around it.
[0] https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/67158/what-are-channel-factories-and-how-do-they-work/67187#67187 https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/67158/what-are-c...
[1] https://i.imgur.com/L10n4ET.png https://i.imgur.com/L10n4ET.png
[2] https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoindesigned-prod/media/what-are-the-bitcoin-timelocks.png https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoindesigned-prod/media/what-are...
[3] https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoindesigned-prod/media/lightning-part-1-payment-channels-v2.png https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoindesigned-prod/media/lightnin...
[4] https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoindesigned-prod/media/lightning-part-2-shaping-the-network.png https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoindesigned-prod/media/lightnin...
[5] https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoindesigned-prod/media/lightning-part-3-going-offchain.png https://s3.amazonaws.com/bitcoindesigned-prod/media/lightnin...
- spookthesunset 9y ago> If you've been kicking yourself about not getting into Bitcoin early - you have a new opportunity with Lightning now. Why not just delete the rest of your post and just leave this? This once sentence is what really drives all of the rest of your breathless hype. Naked greed. It's the only thing the entire crypto "space" has. Lightning network is pure vaporware. It was "coming any day now" when Mt Gox collapsed. It's still coming soon. It will always be coming soon.
- nikcub 9y agoYou'll be happy to hear then that a lot of progress has been made on Lightning since MtGox imploded I probably should have linked to these from my original comment - rather than removing anything Specifically with lnd the lightning daemon[0], BOLT's (the equivalent of Bitcoin BIP's) 1 through to 11 have been implemented in the core daemon[1] There is also the Neutrino light client[2] (screenshot [3]) Far from being vaporware - you're only a few docker commands away from trying it out yourself[4] [0] https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd [1] https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc [2] https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino https://github.com/lightninglabs/neutrino [3] https://blog.lightning.engineering/assets/images/app-chans-good.png https://blog.lightning.engineering/assets/images/app-chans-g... [4] https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/tree/master/docker#connect-to-faucet-lightning-node https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/tree/master/docker#c...
- DonHopkins 9y agoThis sounds just like a 15-year-old ad for Perl 6.
- skellera 9y agoBitcoin is the multi-level marketing of millennials.
- SirLJ 9y agoSpot on!