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Amazon also provides high wage workers who are taxed on their income, and who generate economic activity which can also be taxed and used by municipalities to t

Amazon also provides high wage workers who are taxed on their income, and who generate economic activity which can also be taxed and used by municipalities to try to solve homelessness. On net I wonder what the benefit / determent of Amazon moving to a city would have on homelessness.

ImSkeptical 9y ago
Another confounding factor is that the workforce tends to be left leaning. Left leaning population, plus new money for taxes means more social services for the homeless. More social services means homeless from less accommodating communities will move in. I'd also be curious in a study on Amazon's effect on the homeless.
- xienze 9y ago
  > More social services means homeless from less accommodating communities will move in. I don't know why this point seems to escape people in SF, LA, Seattle, etc. If you're homeless, you're gonna want to be where the most benefits and relaxed attitudes toward homelessness are. It's not hard to understand why this problem is at its worst in the most progressive cities.
  - kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
    These are all cities without overly harsh Summer and Winter seasons. That makes it easier to be outside year round. The destitute homeless in less favorable regions aren't generally mobile enough to migrate to these places.
    - ImSkeptical 9y ago
      I'm sure that plays a part. However, there are small cities around Seattle, with similar climates, that have very few homeless. My interpretation is that these places have less services and the police are more likely to move the homeless. Plus, while living outside in LA doesn't sound so bad, Seattle can't be too high on the list of nice places to live outside.
    - xienze 9y ago
      NYC has a massive homeless population as well.
ChristianBundy 9y ago
But this isn't how it works. Political leverage increases with income, and people who don't have to work to survive realized long ago that it's much more efficient to lobby for tax decreases than it is to "generate economic activity". Our current top tax rate is ~40%, less than half of what it was under Eisenhower, and the owning class continues to push for tax breaks under the guise of trickle-down economics. Please stop broadcasting propaganda on their behalf.
- kazinator 9y ago
  Lobbying is work; obviously, what happens is that some professional lobbyists get paid.
XR0CSWV3h3kZWg 9y ago
> Amazon also provides high wage workers who are taxed on their income Washington has no income tax. > who generate economic activity which can also be taxed and used by municipalities to try to solve homelessness. Unfortunately a lot of the taxes that can be levied in Seattle are fairly regressive, so it's easy to end up in a situation where property taxes are raised to generate funds to solve homelessness. It's easy to imagine inefficiencies or fund diversion such that low priced housing raises in cost faster than the funds given to help homelessness. Even worse would be the situation where those funds only help in the form of food & shelters for homeless people.
afarrell 9y ago
Is the city does not also allow housing to be built, then all the tax money in the world won't stop the fact that all of Amazon's highly-paid workforce will out-bit existing residents for limited housing. States need to look at the amount of office space being built and mandate that towns allow additional housing so that there are at least 3 beds per desk.

ImSkeptical 9y ago

Another confounding factor is that the workforce tends to be left leaning. Left leaning population, plus new money for taxes means more social services for the homeless. More social services means homeless from less accommodating communities will move in. I'd also be curious in a study on Amazon's effect on the homeless.

xienze 9y ago
> More social services means homeless from less accommodating communities will move in. I don't know why this point seems to escape people in SF, LA, Seattle, etc. If you're homeless, you're gonna want to be where the most benefits and relaxed attitudes toward homelessness are. It's not hard to understand why this problem is at its worst in the most progressive cities.
- kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
  These are all cities without overly harsh Summer and Winter seasons. That makes it easier to be outside year round. The destitute homeless in less favorable regions aren't generally mobile enough to migrate to these places.
  - ImSkeptical 9y ago
    I'm sure that plays a part. However, there are small cities around Seattle, with similar climates, that have very few homeless. My interpretation is that these places have less services and the police are more likely to move the homeless. Plus, while living outside in LA doesn't sound so bad, Seattle can't be too high on the list of nice places to live outside.
  - xienze 9y ago
    NYC has a massive homeless population as well.

ChristianBundy 9y ago

But this isn't how it works. Political leverage increases with income, and people who don't have to work to survive realized long ago that it's much more efficient to lobby for tax decreases than it is to "generate economic activity". Our current top tax rate is ~40%, less than half of what it was under Eisenhower, and the owning class continues to push for tax breaks under the guise of trickle-down economics. Please stop broadcasting propaganda on their behalf.

kazinator 9y ago
Lobbying is work; obviously, what happens is that some professional lobbyists get paid.

XR0CSWV3h3kZWg 9y ago

> Amazon also provides high wage workers who are taxed on their income Washington has no income tax. > who generate economic activity which can also be taxed and used by municipalities to try to solve homelessness. Unfortunately a lot of the taxes that can be levied in Seattle are fairly regressive, so it's easy to end up in a situation where property taxes are raised to generate funds to solve homelessness. It's easy to imagine inefficiencies or fund diversion such that low priced housing raises in cost faster than the funds given to help homelessness. Even worse would be the situation where those funds only help in the form of food & shelters for homeless people.

afarrell 9y ago

Is the city does not also allow housing to be built, then all the tax money in the world won't stop the fact that all of Amazon's highly-paid workforce will out-bit existing residents for limited housing. States need to look at the amount of office space being built and mandate that towns allow additional housing so that there are at least 3 beds per desk.