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This is the end of an excellent tweetstorm by Sarah Jeong (so you can feed it into Spooler and read it as a single blog post) https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/sta

by chx 9y ago

This is the end of an excellent tweetstorm by Sarah Jeong (so you can feed it into Spooler and read it as a single blog post) https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/953713433530089472 https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/953713433530089472 but I would like to quote one: > All of this has gone too far!!!!! It was fine when you paranoid dorks were out there scamming each other, please leave the normies alone!!!!!!!!!!! I also copied this all into https://pastebin.com/e8vXE5Vi https://pastebin.com/e8vXE5Vi This is what the SEC is saying too with different words.

StavrosK 9y ago
What a disrespectful tweet. If this were about a minority group, there'd be outrage.
- JumpCrisscross 9y ago
  > If this were about a minority group, there'd be outrage People don't get a say on which race or gender (edit: sex) they're born as. That's partly why race and gender are protected classes. "People who own Bitcoin" isn't a protected class.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    You consider "paranoid dorks" and "people who own Bitcoin" to be the same set? Even then, would you consider something like "you fatasses need to shut up and leave us normal people alone" fine?
    - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
      You're really going to double down on this argument?
      - sillysaurus3 9y ago
        May I suggest thinking about what he's saying? Sure, it might feel upsetting. But is it true? It seems true. And that has merit. But so does your side of it. So it's a balance.
        deleted 9y ago
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      - StavrosK 9y ago
        I mean, fine, if you consider being a jerk to a group people just because <arbitrary justification>, I guess there's nothing left for me to say. I'm not sure why "don't be an asshole to whole groups of people" is so controversial, though.
        JumpCrisscross 9y ago
        I agree; her tweets were overly pointed. But calling an individual names, a group of people of voluntary association names, and an entire race or gender names are three very different things. Her core point, that a knowledgeable minority padded with a zealous, clueless majority, the latter on a roll misinforming the public, stands.
  - kgwgk 9y ago
    Are you sure gender is determined at birth? Edit: My comment was tongue in cheek. It’s kind of funny that not only genders are like the twin towers, but even saying that sex is determined at birth can be a sensitive issue.
  - dragonwriter 9y ago
    > People don't get a say on which race or gender (edit: sex) they're born as. That's partly why race and gender are protected classes. The basis of protected class is more visibility and history of non-germane discrimination than innateness, which is why religion is a protected class.
- carlosdp 9y ago
  ... but... it's not... so...
- tptacek 9y ago
  Sometimes I like to point out that without any form of meaningful static typing, writing code in Ruby requires huge numbers of unit tests to verify what would be basic properties of a better programming language, where no such test would be needed. It's true: if I said that about Serbians, I'd get in a lot of trouble.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    I agree, "Javascript is an inconsistent language" and "all you smelly nerds go back to your caves and leave us normal people alone" are pretty much equivalent.
    - tptacek 9y ago
      Please don't make up quotes to attribute to other people, especially when it's not at all clear --- because you'd have to go read through a whole Twitter thread to find out --- that you invented the quote.
      - perl4ever 9y ago
        The first quote is paraphrased, so by implication the second quote can be assumed to be paraphrased. I think it's fairly clear.
        tptacek 9y ago
        It's not only not clear, it's deliberately deceptive. 'StavrosK would have you believe Jeong is poking fun at nerds in general, and making comments about their personal hygiene.
        perl4ever 9y ago
        My impression was she was making a statement about some nerds, yes, but people may interpret it as entailing a general slur. Was it also deliberately deceptive to interpret Trump's famous statement about Mexicans as a slur on the whole group? I don't think so. I observe people of all sorts making ambiguous statements deliberately in order to express bigoted opinions while not engaging with those who may be offended. None of this implies I think defending "nerds" as a class is important - but I don't think being offended is necessarily "deliberately deceptive".
reaperducer 9y ago
15 exclamation points. She must be right.
- deleted 9y ago
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DoreenMichele 9y ago
I would be vastly more interested in hearing her explain what blockchain really is so I can decide for myself if her outrage is appropriate than hearing about how she has to hide her internet activity from her boyfriend and how she is "in trouble" for not coming to bed like she said she would. Her personal comments on those things make her sound like a lunatic with a lot of personal problems, including both zero self control and a dysfunctional private life. This does not inspire confidence in me that I should just listen to her wisdom and do as she tells me to do.
- jgh 9y ago
  Meh, my wife does the same thing if I'm doing something on the computer late at night. I get the "I thought you said you were coming to bed in 5 minutes?" treatment. Hell I might even joke about getting in trouble for it. In any case this is clearly not a tweetstorm where she's laying out her argument to change minds, it's just a rant. It would be interesting to read her views in an article.
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
    I realize it is a rant. It is a rant in which she says she has never bothered to explain it because [excuses] and asserts that she doesn't want to hear your opinion if you didn't read the white paper 5 years ago. So it is a lazy, elitist snob rant that asserts that she has no plans to explain it to us unwashed morons and we should just take her word for it. My general opinion of such attitudes is Fuck you, which is part of why I walked away from a National Merit Scholarship and dropped out of college in my youth. I already said I would be interested in her explanation. But I am not holding my breath. Her rant suggests she can't be bothered to explain fuck all. She is too busy stroking her ego on twitter.
- tptacek 9y ago
  It's called humor. You've never told a joke about getting in trouble with a significant other?
  - DoreenMichele 9y ago
282883392 9y ago
She is purporting that bitcoin is somehow "worthless?" and that all of Crypto would crash if people truly understood it. The Chairman's post is simply about being responsible about blockchain and the hype surrounding it at this point.
trhway 9y ago
>It was fine when you paranoid dorks were out there scamming each other, please leave the normies alone!!!!!!!!!!! paranoid dorks are eating the world. Typical for a paradigm shift situation, the old world can only produce gasps of exclamation.

by chx 9y ago

StavrosK 9y ago

What a disrespectful tweet. If this were about a minority group, there'd be outrage.

JumpCrisscross 9y ago
> If this were about a minority group, there'd be outrage People don't get a say on which race or gender (edit: sex) they're born as. That's partly why race and gender are protected classes. "People who own Bitcoin" isn't a protected class.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  You consider "paranoid dorks" and "people who own Bitcoin" to be the same set? Even then, would you consider something like "you fatasses need to shut up and leave us normal people alone" fine?
  - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
    You're really going to double down on this argument?
    - sillysaurus3 9y ago
      May I suggest thinking about what he's saying? Sure, it might feel upsetting. But is it true? It seems true. And that has merit. But so does your side of it. So it's a balance.
      - deleted 9y ago
        [deleted]
    - StavrosK 9y ago
      I mean, fine, if you consider being a jerk to a group people just because <arbitrary justification>, I guess there's nothing left for me to say. I'm not sure why "don't be an asshole to whole groups of people" is so controversial, though.
      - JumpCrisscross 9y ago
        I agree; her tweets were overly pointed. But calling an individual names, a group of people of voluntary association names, and an entire race or gender names are three very different things. Her core point, that a knowledgeable minority padded with a zealous, clueless majority, the latter on a roll misinforming the public, stands.
- kgwgk 9y ago
  Are you sure gender is determined at birth? Edit: My comment was tongue in cheek. It’s kind of funny that not only genders are like the twin towers, but even saying that sex is determined at birth can be a sensitive issue.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > People don't get a say on which race or gender (edit: sex) they're born as. That's partly why race and gender are protected classes. The basis of protected class is more visibility and history of non-germane discrimination than innateness, which is why religion is a protected class.
carlosdp 9y ago
... but... it's not... so...
tptacek 9y ago
Sometimes I like to point out that without any form of meaningful static typing, writing code in Ruby requires huge numbers of unit tests to verify what would be basic properties of a better programming language, where no such test would be needed. It's true: if I said that about Serbians, I'd get in a lot of trouble.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  I agree, "Javascript is an inconsistent language" and "all you smelly nerds go back to your caves and leave us normal people alone" are pretty much equivalent.
  - tptacek 9y ago
    Please don't make up quotes to attribute to other people, especially when it's not at all clear --- because you'd have to go read through a whole Twitter thread to find out --- that you invented the quote.
    - perl4ever 9y ago
      The first quote is paraphrased, so by implication the second quote can be assumed to be paraphrased. I think it's fairly clear.
      - tptacek 9y ago
        It's not only not clear, it's deliberately deceptive. 'StavrosK would have you believe Jeong is poking fun at nerds in general, and making comments about their personal hygiene.
        perl4ever 9y ago
        My impression was she was making a statement about some nerds, yes, but people may interpret it as entailing a general slur. Was it also deliberately deceptive to interpret Trump's famous statement about Mexicans as a slur on the whole group? I don't think so. I observe people of all sorts making ambiguous statements deliberately in order to express bigoted opinions while not engaging with those who may be offended. None of this implies I think defending "nerds" as a class is important - but I don't think being offended is necessarily "deliberately deceptive".

reaperducer 9y ago

15 exclamation points. She must be right.

deleted 9y ago
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DoreenMichele 9y ago

I would be vastly more interested in hearing her explain what blockchain really is so I can decide for myself if her outrage is appropriate than hearing about how she has to hide her internet activity from her boyfriend and how she is "in trouble" for not coming to bed like she said she would. Her personal comments on those things make her sound like a lunatic with a lot of personal problems, including both zero self control and a dysfunctional private life. This does not inspire confidence in me that I should just listen to her wisdom and do as she tells me to do.

jgh 9y ago
Meh, my wife does the same thing if I'm doing something on the computer late at night. I get the "I thought you said you were coming to bed in 5 minutes?" treatment. Hell I might even joke about getting in trouble for it. In any case this is clearly not a tweetstorm where she's laying out her argument to change minds, it's just a rant. It would be interesting to read her views in an article.
- DoreenMichele 9y ago
  I realize it is a rant. It is a rant in which she says she has never bothered to explain it because [excuses] and asserts that she doesn't want to hear your opinion if you didn't read the white paper 5 years ago. So it is a lazy, elitist snob rant that asserts that she has no plans to explain it to us unwashed morons and we should just take her word for it. My general opinion of such attitudes is Fuck you, which is part of why I walked away from a National Merit Scholarship and dropped out of college in my youth. I already said I would be interested in her explanation. But I am not holding my breath. Her rant suggests she can't be bothered to explain fuck all. She is too busy stroking her ego on twitter.
tptacek 9y ago
It's called humor. You've never told a joke about getting in trouble with a significant other?
- DoreenMichele 9y ago

282883392 9y ago

She is purporting that bitcoin is somehow "worthless?" and that all of Crypto would crash if people truly understood it. The Chairman's post is simply about being responsible about blockchain and the hype surrounding it at this point.

trhway 9y ago

>It was fine when you paranoid dorks were out there scamming each other, please leave the normies alone!!!!!!!!!!! paranoid dorks are eating the world. Typical for a paradigm shift situation, the old world can only produce gasps of exclamation.