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reminder: gitlab still has blatant false claims on their website. > GitLab has 2/3 market share in the self-hosted Git market [1] Their CEO admitted that it w

reminder: gitlab still has blatant false claims on their website. > GitLab has 2/3 market share in the self-hosted Git market [1] Their CEO admitted that it was wrong here many times but chooses to keep those blog post up without correction. [2] 1. https://about.gitlab.com/2017/06/29/whats-next-for-gitlab-ci/ https://about.gitlab.com/2017/06/29/whats-next-for-gitlab-ci... 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15703221 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15703221

urbanjunkie 9y ago
You should probably learn to read properly.
als0 9y ago
Your second link says something different. He refuted the phrase "Gitlab is a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises", which would have been a far bigger claim than "self-hosted Git market".
- dominotw 9y ago
  > "Gitlab is a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises", which would have been a far bigger claim than "self-hosted Git market". I would think the opposite. Generic claim of all "self-hosted" is a wider assertion than specific subset of enterprise. Also blatant false claim of no 1 CI server is also there in the blogpost.
sytse 9y ago
I stand by the claim we have 2/3 market share in the self-hosted git market. The claim is now linked to a page that contains the details https://about.gitlab.com/is-it-any-good/ https://about.gitlab.com/is-it-any-good/
- dominotw 9y ago
  buddybuild and bitrise are not representative of * all * self-hosted git market. Your claim is totally absurd. See responses to your similar comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15704055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15704055 Also discounting jenkins as "not modern"( whatever that means) and declaring yourself as number one is so dishonest. You "standing by it" means nothing. Why is so important to you push these lies, I don't get it.
  - sytse 9y ago
    buddybuild and bitrise data probably has a bias in it. But we didn't find much else to go on. If you of anyone else knows of something we should use instead please let me know. I think that since the blue ocean update to Jenkins they have added lot of the next generation features. I'll either specify the claim better or lange it later today.
    - dominotw 9y ago
      > But we didn't find much else to go on. Don't make claims based on unreliable data. I am not sure how else to express this. see similar comments here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15704407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15704407
      - sytse 9y ago
        No data is perfect, we consider the data reliable. As promised I changed the wording of our CI/CD claims https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/64ce89fd740daf49580f1137d79b37af2e9cdc72 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/64ce89fd...
        dominotw 9y ago
        > buddybuild and bitrise data probably has a bias in it. > we consider the data reliable. I give up!
- user15672 9y ago
  Bitrise seem to deal with a niche market (mobile development), so claiming their study shows a general trend in the self hosted git market is a stretch at best. I'd imagine boring old git itself and non-website backed things like gitosis are still a massive part of the overall install base. In any case, the claim that gitlab's on 2/3 market share just screams disingenuous marketing fluff to me and cheapens gitlab as a whole.
  - sytse 9y ago
    According to Google Trends https://www.dropbox.com/s/ldyvpxa0vbvelie/Screenshot%202018-01-23%2021.59.32.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ldyvpxa0vbvelie/Screenshot%202018-... Gitosis reached 4% of GitLab's popularity in 2011 and is now at 0%. If course Google Trends is not equal to installed base. But based on our experience I also don't think gitosis still has a massive installed base.
    - user15672 9y ago
      You are correct, Google trends is pretty much irrelevant here. You would be surprised by Gitosis (and many others you've dismissed). It's pretty much in every company I've worked in over the last 7 years. It's never well liked, but it works just fine. Most companies don't need bells and whistles that come with GUI based git installs, so they don't waste the money switching away to them.

urbanjunkie 9y ago

You should probably learn to read properly.

als0 9y ago

Your second link says something different. He refuted the phrase "Gitlab is a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises", which would have been a far bigger claim than "self-hosted Git market".

dominotw 9y ago
> "Gitlab is a software product used by 2/3 of all enterprises", which would have been a far bigger claim than "self-hosted Git market". I would think the opposite. Generic claim of all "self-hosted" is a wider assertion than specific subset of enterprise. Also blatant false claim of no 1 CI server is also there in the blogpost.

sytse 9y ago

I stand by the claim we have 2/3 market share in the self-hosted git market. The claim is now linked to a page that contains the details https://about.gitlab.com/is-it-any-good/ https://about.gitlab.com/is-it-any-good/

dominotw 9y ago
buddybuild and bitrise are not representative of * all * self-hosted git market. Your claim is totally absurd. See responses to your similar comment here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15704055 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15704055 Also discounting jenkins as "not modern"( whatever that means) and declaring yourself as number one is so dishonest. You "standing by it" means nothing. Why is so important to you push these lies, I don't get it.
- sytse 9y ago
  buddybuild and bitrise data probably has a bias in it. But we didn't find much else to go on. If you of anyone else knows of something we should use instead please let me know. I think that since the blue ocean update to Jenkins they have added lot of the next generation features. I'll either specify the claim better or lange it later today.
  - dominotw 9y ago
    > But we didn't find much else to go on. Don't make claims based on unreliable data. I am not sure how else to express this. see similar comments here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15704407 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15704407
    - sytse 9y ago
      No data is perfect, we consider the data reliable. As promised I changed the wording of our CI/CD claims https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/64ce89fd740daf49580f1137d79b37af2e9cdc72 https://gitlab.com/gitlab-com/www-gitlab-com/commit/64ce89fd...
      - dominotw 9y ago
        > buddybuild and bitrise data probably has a bias in it. > we consider the data reliable. I give up!
user15672 9y ago
Bitrise seem to deal with a niche market (mobile development), so claiming their study shows a general trend in the self hosted git market is a stretch at best. I'd imagine boring old git itself and non-website backed things like gitosis are still a massive part of the overall install base. In any case, the claim that gitlab's on 2/3 market share just screams disingenuous marketing fluff to me and cheapens gitlab as a whole.
- sytse 9y ago
  According to Google Trends https://www.dropbox.com/s/ldyvpxa0vbvelie/Screenshot%202018-01-23%2021.59.32.png?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ldyvpxa0vbvelie/Screenshot%202018-... Gitosis reached 4% of GitLab's popularity in 2011 and is now at 0%. If course Google Trends is not equal to installed base. But based on our experience I also don't think gitosis still has a massive installed base.
  - user15672 9y ago
    You are correct, Google trends is pretty much irrelevant here. You would be surprised by Gitosis (and many others you've dismissed). It's pretty much in every company I've worked in over the last 7 years. It's never well liked, but it works just fine. Most companies don't need bells and whistles that come with GUI based git installs, so they don't waste the money switching away to them.