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Which is a political goal at odds with the population. Even Macron admitted that if the French were given the same vote as the British, they'd probably leave t

Which is a political goal at odds with the population. Even Macron admitted that if the French were given the same vote as the British, they'd probably leave the EU[1]. Their tactic? Just avoid a vote. A small elite closing ranks and ignoring that EU citizens simply want trade union, not political union. There's only so many times politicians can say "it's more complicated than you peasants understand, we must federalize!" before they get kicked out. Their hubris is bringing about the rise of the extreme right. Europeans, as in the general populace, do not as a majority want to federalize. Federalization is one of those open conspiracies driven by a particular type of person who's completely out-of-touch with normal people. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/21/emmanuel-macron-uk-yes-no-brexit-vote-mistake https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/21/emmanuel-macro...

Guillaume86 9y ago
To quote the article: > Asked if the French would vote to leave the EU in the same way, he said: “Yes. Probably, in a similar context. But our context was very different, so I don’t want to take any bets. I would have definitely fought to win. Which is quite different that what the title implies.
- mattmanser 9y ago
  I think you're not understanding what he meant by context, the context is that just before then he'd said it was a mistake to give the UK electorate a leave/stay questions, he meant he'd simply give France a stay/stay question, i.e.: Would you: 1. like to stay in the EU as is or 2. like to stay in the EU with minor tweaks? It's too complicated for the peasants to understand apparently. But if given a leave/stay question, he thought France would vote leave like the UK. He then went on to have a rant against all the unwashed who'd lost out because of globalization gobbling their livelihoods and how they should damn well be pleased to be screwed, if you're not a university educated elite it's your own fault for sucking, politicians obviously aren't meant to represent you or your views.

Guillaume86 9y ago

To quote the article: > Asked if the French would vote to leave the EU in the same way, he said: “Yes. Probably, in a similar context. But our context was very different, so I don’t want to take any bets. I would have definitely fought to win. Which is quite different that what the title implies.

mattmanser 9y ago
I think you're not understanding what he meant by context, the context is that just before then he'd said it was a mistake to give the UK electorate a leave/stay questions, he meant he'd simply give France a stay/stay question, i.e.: Would you: 1. like to stay in the EU as is or 2. like to stay in the EU with minor tweaks? It's too complicated for the peasants to understand apparently. But if given a leave/stay question, he thought France would vote leave like the UK. He then went on to have a rant against all the unwashed who'd lost out because of globalization gobbling their livelihoods and how they should damn well be pleased to be screwed, if you're not a university educated elite it's your own fault for sucking, politicians obviously aren't meant to represent you or your views.