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Surprised to see tinfoil hat theories on top of a HN thread. Not to say that there's not some truth in there but reducing the extremely complex geopolitical sit

by simias 9y ago

Surprised to see tinfoil hat theories on top of a HN thread. Not to say that there's not some truth in there but reducing the extremely complex geopolitical situation in the middle east to "they wanted to build a pipeline" is rather laughable. I mean seriously: >The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was total bullshit. >Western news brainwashed the whole world with ISIS and YPG >The western alliance tried hard to take down their presidents by organizing coups but it failed. And the most amusing part of your comment: >people just buy this stuff easily in the propaganda bubble they live in WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!! This whole comment is one big huge [citation needed] tag.

WillReplyfFood 9y ago
You could reroot the pipeline through israel? or egypt? The syrian crisis was a sunni -shia powerblock escalation. The problem i have is that we - the west side with the wrong faction here. Assad had many minorities somehow getting along, no sunni country has that. Iran is quite inventive - even if the relgious fanatics try to come down on that. Western money flows through saudi arabia an finances wahabit missionarys everywhere. Are we really assisting the good guys here?
- simias 9y ago
  Do you think hacker news is the good place to find the answer to such a question? This is the place where you ask about Javascript libraries and Go vs. Rust comparisons, not geopolitical advice. That's why I tend to dismiss any comment in this thread that's not properly sourced.
  - WillReplyfFood 9y ago
    You are propably right. But sometimes such discussion can meta-stasize into intersting ones. For example- what is the definition of a good guy? Is a good guy something stable, reliable, someone behaving reproducable? Is a good guy somebody who gives you a short term reward, and costs you dearly in the long run? Or can a good guy be someone who costs you short term, but becomes a long term positiv force. What if somebody is hostile, but stabilizes out of self-interest a otherwise negative are in the world. Its all very complicated, and the dynamics playing into it, can be horrifying for anyone idealistic.

by simias 9y ago

WillReplyfFood 9y ago

You could reroot the pipeline through israel? or egypt? The syrian crisis was a sunni -shia powerblock escalation. The problem i have is that we - the west side with the wrong faction here. Assad had many minorities somehow getting along, no sunni country has that. Iran is quite inventive - even if the relgious fanatics try to come down on that. Western money flows through saudi arabia an finances wahabit missionarys everywhere. Are we really assisting the good guys here?

simias 9y ago
Do you think hacker news is the good place to find the answer to such a question? This is the place where you ask about Javascript libraries and Go vs. Rust comparisons, not geopolitical advice. That's why I tend to dismiss any comment in this thread that's not properly sourced.
- WillReplyfFood 9y ago
  You are propably right. But sometimes such discussion can meta-stasize into intersting ones. For example- what is the definition of a good guy? Is a good guy something stable, reliable, someone behaving reproducable? Is a good guy somebody who gives you a short term reward, and costs you dearly in the long run? Or can a good guy be someone who costs you short term, but becomes a long term positiv force. What if somebody is hostile, but stabilizes out of self-interest a otherwise negative are in the world. Its all very complicated, and the dynamics playing into it, can be horrifying for anyone idealistic.