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Either you follow Russian media agencies closely so you can categorize information by national news agencies, or you're just labeling me for telling facts that

Either you follow Russian media agencies closely so you can categorize information by national news agencies, or you're just labeling me for telling facts that you don't like to hear. Neither behavior is not smart.

marklgr 9y ago
The conspiracy theory crowd is always full of "facts" (ahem) that "people just don't want to hear". Because people "live in their bubble", obviously.
- ben_w 9y ago
  One of my fears is that I might be in a bubble, a conspiracy theory, of my own. Suggestions?
  - jacobush 9y ago
    Having that fear is a very very good place to be, where most people at any one time is not.
danmaz74 9y ago
If you're interested, I regularly read what some of Putin's supporter I know post on Reddit (mostly coming from RT and Sputnik). This way, I keep up on that kind of propaganda without having to read all the Russian media agencies directly. To anticipate your next point: is there propaganda in the West? Yes, absolutely. Is it the same level BS as Putin's propaganda? No way - in the West there are just so many more independent sources of information, that finding out most BS is easy enough if you try. In Russia, things are very tightly controlled by Putin and his system.
- laumars 9y ago
  Most people in the west don't try and find impartial information or counter arguments as generally people don't like having their opinion challenged. Worse still, many of the most popular news networks are also the the worst for political bias (Fox News, News UK (Sun), The Daily Mail, etc.) Let's also not forget just how many people get their news from untrusted sources posted on social media and other similar communication mediums. So I think it's a stretch to say things are significantly better in the west. If anything, people are just as badly misled here but with the added misconception that the free market and freedom of press means their news is automatically also free of political bias (or sometimes they do know but simply don't care because they had that bias to begin with)
  - laumars 9y ago
    Re people how downvoted me. I appreciate this is an opinion so others will differ but it would be nice to have a counterargument so I can understand why you disagree
- mkalygin 9y ago
  I'm Russian. And while I agree that we have a propaganda, I can't say that the situation is any better in the West. When I was living in UK for a while, I was amazed by how some really smart people have 100% level of trust to national media, so that they can't even perceive another point of view. All arguments were based on the fact that their media is historically old and never lies because it can't risk its reputation. And all Russian media is propaganda and controlled by Putin. It was 2014 and I can't say how much I was asked what I think about Putin. Honestly I didn't know what to answer because I don't like to talk about politics. But since that time I know that if you look around the world you will notice the same BS but in different boxing. And people are equally vulnerable to buy it.
  - danmaz74 9y ago
    I agree with you that there are many people in the West who have (almost) 100% trust in national media, and that that level of trust is misplaced, but I don't agree at all that the situation is the same as in Russia (where I've been and where I know some people). The difference is that here in the West there are lots of agendas being pushed, but there are also lots of competing ones, lots of different points of view, and much more freedom to express them. The end result is - or at least was, the situation isn't improving lately - that the government can't get away with lies as big as the ones Putin pushes (eg: "we have no soldiers in Ukraine" "we're never going to annex Crimea" etc. etc.)
    - mkalygin 9y ago
      I cannot disagree with your point. But we still have a lot of people who refuse to get information from propaganda sources. And this is a good sign. I hope we will get even better in this in the future and there will be more freedom in media.
      - danmaz74 9y ago
        Absolutely, I didn't mean that all Russians buy the propaganda - I also know how distrustful of the government you are on average. But it's a fact that it's very difficult to get good news sources for those who only understand Russian.
differentView 9y ago
What are your news sources?

marklgr 9y ago

The conspiracy theory crowd is always full of "facts" (ahem) that "people just don't want to hear". Because people "live in their bubble", obviously.

ben_w 9y ago
One of my fears is that I might be in a bubble, a conspiracy theory, of my own. Suggestions?
- jacobush 9y ago
  Having that fear is a very very good place to be, where most people at any one time is not.

danmaz74 9y ago

If you're interested, I regularly read what some of Putin's supporter I know post on Reddit (mostly coming from RT and Sputnik). This way, I keep up on that kind of propaganda without having to read all the Russian media agencies directly. To anticipate your next point: is there propaganda in the West? Yes, absolutely. Is it the same level BS as Putin's propaganda? No way - in the West there are just so many more independent sources of information, that finding out most BS is easy enough if you try. In Russia, things are very tightly controlled by Putin and his system.

laumars 9y ago
Most people in the west don't try and find impartial information or counter arguments as generally people don't like having their opinion challenged. Worse still, many of the most popular news networks are also the the worst for political bias (Fox News, News UK (Sun), The Daily Mail, etc.) Let's also not forget just how many people get their news from untrusted sources posted on social media and other similar communication mediums. So I think it's a stretch to say things are significantly better in the west. If anything, people are just as badly misled here but with the added misconception that the free market and freedom of press means their news is automatically also free of political bias (or sometimes they do know but simply don't care because they had that bias to begin with)
- laumars 9y ago
  Re people how downvoted me. I appreciate this is an opinion so others will differ but it would be nice to have a counterargument so I can understand why you disagree
mkalygin 9y ago
I'm Russian. And while I agree that we have a propaganda, I can't say that the situation is any better in the West. When I was living in UK for a while, I was amazed by how some really smart people have 100% level of trust to national media, so that they can't even perceive another point of view. All arguments were based on the fact that their media is historically old and never lies because it can't risk its reputation. And all Russian media is propaganda and controlled by Putin. It was 2014 and I can't say how much I was asked what I think about Putin. Honestly I didn't know what to answer because I don't like to talk about politics. But since that time I know that if you look around the world you will notice the same BS but in different boxing. And people are equally vulnerable to buy it.
- danmaz74 9y ago
  I agree with you that there are many people in the West who have (almost) 100% trust in national media, and that that level of trust is misplaced, but I don't agree at all that the situation is the same as in Russia (where I've been and where I know some people). The difference is that here in the West there are lots of agendas being pushed, but there are also lots of competing ones, lots of different points of view, and much more freedom to express them. The end result is - or at least was, the situation isn't improving lately - that the government can't get away with lies as big as the ones Putin pushes (eg: "we have no soldiers in Ukraine" "we're never going to annex Crimea" etc. etc.)
  - mkalygin 9y ago
    I cannot disagree with your point. But we still have a lot of people who refuse to get information from propaganda sources. And this is a good sign. I hope we will get even better in this in the future and there will be more freedom in media.
    - danmaz74 9y ago
      Absolutely, I didn't mean that all Russians buy the propaganda - I also know how distrustful of the government you are on average. But it's a fact that it's very difficult to get good news sources for those who only understand Russian.

differentView 9y ago

What are your news sources?