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I would be curious about the stats though, If accidents are less frequent, is it at fault for accidents, or did it save us from a bunch of accidents?

jsjohnst 9y ago
> or did it save us from a bunch of accidents? I do not believe Tesla’s are equipped with the necessary hardware to scientifically show beyond a reasonable doubt they assisted in preventing accidents.
- michaelmior 9y ago
  Part of the problem is that whether an accident would have occurred is partially dependent on the human driver. While some accidents are unavoidable and some are completely preventable, there's a gray area in between those that depends on driver skill to a degree.
akira2501 9y ago
266 Billion Miles are driven on US roadways each _month_. It's going to be a while before we have a predictive dataset.
FireBeyond 9y ago
There's also those other issues: Tesla has not been counting collisions caused by the driver having to brake hard because the autopilot was about to happily slam into another vehicle/object/person? Tesla's summation of those is that they were not a failing of Autopilot, because it was not active at the moment of impact. That's ... disingenuous ... at best. And then: "It would have avoided this accident [by braking, steering]", and studiously saying nothing about the future, "... but it would still have been in a collision 0.42 seconds later". For all the collisions it would have avoided, there's another subset where it would only have "delayed" the collision. But that won't be mentioned. Because it doesn't fit the narrative.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  Source? I've seen people speculate about the first, but just speculation. And that Google/Waymo does the same thing. I don't think it's true for either: public companies get sued for lies like that, and the NTSB is not stupid.

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I would be curious about the stats though, If accidents are less frequent, is it at fault for accidents, or did it save us from a bunch of accidents?

by rileymat2 9y ago

jsjohnst 9y ago
> or did it save us from a bunch of accidents? I do not believe Tesla’s are equipped with the necessary hardware to scientifically show beyond a reasonable doubt they assisted in preventing accidents.
- michaelmior 9y ago
  Part of the problem is that whether an accident would have occurred is partially dependent on the human driver. While some accidents are unavoidable and some are completely preventable, there's a gray area in between those that depends on driver skill to a degree.
akira2501 9y ago
266 Billion Miles are driven on US roadways each _month_. It's going to be a while before we have a predictive dataset.
FireBeyond 9y ago
There's also those other issues: Tesla has not been counting collisions caused by the driver having to brake hard because the autopilot was about to happily slam into another vehicle/object/person? Tesla's summation of those is that they were not a failing of Autopilot, because it was not active at the moment of impact. That's ... disingenuous ... at best. And then: "It would have avoided this accident [by braking, steering]", and studiously saying nothing about the future, "... but it would still have been in a collision 0.42 seconds later". For all the collisions it would have avoided, there's another subset where it would only have "delayed" the collision. But that won't be mentioned. Because it doesn't fit the narrative.
- greglindahl 9y ago
  Source? I've seen people speculate about the first, but just speculation. And that Google/Waymo does the same thing. I don't think it's true for either: public companies get sued for lies like that, and the NTSB is not stupid.