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Due to Trump, and all the negative press USA has gotten lately, I wonder if it makes an impact of how eager people are to move to the USA anymore? Also, in cas

Due to Trump, and all the negative press USA has gotten lately, I wonder if it makes an impact of how eager people are to move to the USA anymore? Also, in case foreigners get accepted to YC, will it be more difficult than before to be able to stay in the USA for the duration of the program?

dogma1138 9y ago
Some will but not in any measurable amount the US is still the best place for start ups to go big.
spamizbad 9y ago
With Bannon gone, I think the only immigration hard-liners left in Trump's circle are Stephen Miller and his chief of staff John Kelly who could very easily quit before ICE has a chance to wreck YC. Whitehouse Chief of Statff is a notorious high-turnover position and Kelly apparently threatens to quit on a weekly basis. Anyway, YC never threw Thiel under the bus so maybe they can call in a favor if things get dicey?
- cobookman 9y ago
  How would ICE impact YC Founders. Has YC ever sponsored an Illegal Immigrant as part of its class?
- briandear 9y ago
  > ICE has a chance to wreck YC.. What would wreck YC is if potential foriegn applicants actually listened to the FUD and then decided not to apply.
- andreshb 9y ago
  Thiel got the cold shoulder "Trump reportedly told Peter Thiel they'd be friends for life — and then ghosted him" http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-told-peter-thiel-theyd-be-friends-for-life-then-ghosted-him-2018-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-told-peter-thiel-theyd-...
melvinmt 9y ago
I moved to the US in 2011 with my first startup (and was lucky enough to be able to stay here). I don't think I would be able to do the same under Trump: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/us/trump-immigration-slowdown.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/us/trump-immigration-slow...
- zakshay 9y ago
  I'm waiting for a resolution on H4-EAD. Thats going to be a very important factor for me (since my spouse depends on it).
shafyy 9y ago
We moved to SV in June from Switzerland to start a company. Is Switzerland overall a better place to live? Of course. But SV is still the best place to start a business. Trump luckily didn't impact that. And I don't think he can.
cobookman 9y ago
Can you name a new US law / enforcement that Trump passed which directly impacts Founders. Trump is mostly talk.
- matt4077 9y ago
  It's quite obvious that he's intend to reduce immigration. That's not likely an immediate problem for white founders from Europe. But there's obvious potential in Africa, the Middle East, or Asia. And it's crystal clear that if Trump gets his way, Elon Musk would have a rather hard time getting permanent residency in the US. Apart from these actual, specific challenges, emigrating is a huge step for most people. The general hostility against "strangers" would definitely make me think twice about moving to the US today, even though I once spent a year in the Southwest and had a wonderful time. Just dealing with customs officers at the airport has become a nightmare over the last decade: Being fingerprinted like a criminal is the most obvious change. But I've lately noticed that the attitude more and more resembles the thuggishness usually associated with police states. They have always had all the power, but lately they seem to relish to show it to you. Need 10 seconds to find your flight number? "Go to the back of the line, NOW, and try again with the respect the greatest country on the face of the earth deserves". (actual quote).
  - briandear 9y ago
    You get fingerprinted going into Europe too at some airports.
    - mysterypie 9y ago
      I'd be interested to know which European countries? And does it vary by the nationality of the visitor[1]? [1] For the USA for example, Canadians visiting for business or tourism (an implied B1 or B2 visa, respectively), are exempt from fingerprinting. Canada is the only exception to the USA's fingerprinting rules.
- phonon 9y ago
  Ummm... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/trump-begins-to-dismantle-obamas-startup-visa-program/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/trump-begins-to-...
paulsutter 9y ago
All the media coverage is causing fewer people to apply for visas, so it might actually be easier than before to get a visa (not kidding). Canadian universities are seeing 500% increases in applications, even tourism is down, because of exactly this sort of worry. The fear is enormous, but the actual changes are small, ergo, could be easier to get a visa now.
askafriend 9y ago
There were numbers released recently that showed that tourism since 2015 in top destinations increased - with the exception of 2 countries where it declined (Turkey, and USA). https://twitter.com/FitzGeraldUCSD/status/955139776901869568 https://twitter.com/FitzGeraldUCSD/status/955139776901869568
taytus 9y ago
Not sure why you are getting downvoted. I feel this is a real fear many people are feeling right now.
dmode 9y ago
It has already impacted tourism and international student enrollment in colleges. Logically, business creation would follow. Canada is reaping the benefits. Tourism is up 20% and college enrollment is up by significant percentage as well.
- willhslade 9y ago
  Source please?
  - dmode 9y ago
    For tourism decline: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-17/how-to-reverse-america-s-foreign-tourist-problem https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-17/how-to-re... For college enrollment decline: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/us/fewer-foreign-students-coming-to-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/us/fewer-foreign-students...
0800 9y ago
Anecdotal, but: I myself turned down a job offer in SV in part due to Trump. When asking 4 random co-workers, none seem keen to move to the US, 2 of them even citing safety concerns (they are minorities from India and Africa and heard horror stories of former colleagues still in the US).
snowmaker 9y ago
So far, it has not impacted our founders. The international founders in the current batch did not have any more trouble than founders in the past.

dogma1138 9y ago

Some will but not in any measurable amount the US is still the best place for start ups to go big.

spamizbad 9y ago

With Bannon gone, I think the only immigration hard-liners left in Trump's circle are Stephen Miller and his chief of staff John Kelly who could very easily quit before ICE has a chance to wreck YC. Whitehouse Chief of Statff is a notorious high-turnover position and Kelly apparently threatens to quit on a weekly basis. Anyway, YC never threw Thiel under the bus so maybe they can call in a favor if things get dicey?

cobookman 9y ago
How would ICE impact YC Founders. Has YC ever sponsored an Illegal Immigrant as part of its class?
briandear 9y ago
> ICE has a chance to wreck YC.. What would wreck YC is if potential foriegn applicants actually listened to the FUD and then decided not to apply.
andreshb 9y ago
Thiel got the cold shoulder "Trump reportedly told Peter Thiel they'd be friends for life — and then ghosted him" http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-told-peter-thiel-theyd-be-friends-for-life-then-ghosted-him-2018-1 http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-told-peter-thiel-theyd-...

melvinmt 9y ago

I moved to the US in 2011 with my first startup (and was lucky enough to be able to stay here). I don't think I would be able to do the same under Trump: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/us/trump-immigration-slowdown.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/us/trump-immigration-slow...

zakshay 9y ago
I'm waiting for a resolution on H4-EAD. Thats going to be a very important factor for me (since my spouse depends on it).

shafyy 9y ago

We moved to SV in June from Switzerland to start a company. Is Switzerland overall a better place to live? Of course. But SV is still the best place to start a business. Trump luckily didn't impact that. And I don't think he can.

cobookman 9y ago

Can you name a new US law / enforcement that Trump passed which directly impacts Founders. Trump is mostly talk.

matt4077 9y ago
It's quite obvious that he's intend to reduce immigration. That's not likely an immediate problem for white founders from Europe. But there's obvious potential in Africa, the Middle East, or Asia. And it's crystal clear that if Trump gets his way, Elon Musk would have a rather hard time getting permanent residency in the US. Apart from these actual, specific challenges, emigrating is a huge step for most people. The general hostility against "strangers" would definitely make me think twice about moving to the US today, even though I once spent a year in the Southwest and had a wonderful time. Just dealing with customs officers at the airport has become a nightmare over the last decade: Being fingerprinted like a criminal is the most obvious change. But I've lately noticed that the attitude more and more resembles the thuggishness usually associated with police states. They have always had all the power, but lately they seem to relish to show it to you. Need 10 seconds to find your flight number? "Go to the back of the line, NOW, and try again with the respect the greatest country on the face of the earth deserves". (actual quote).
- briandear 9y ago
  You get fingerprinted going into Europe too at some airports.
  - mysterypie 9y ago
    I'd be interested to know which European countries? And does it vary by the nationality of the visitor[1]? [1] For the USA for example, Canadians visiting for business or tourism (an implied B1 or B2 visa, respectively), are exempt from fingerprinting. Canada is the only exception to the USA's fingerprinting rules.
phonon 9y ago
Ummm... https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/trump-begins-to-dismantle-obamas-startup-visa-program/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/07/trump-begins-to-...

paulsutter 9y ago

All the media coverage is causing fewer people to apply for visas, so it might actually be easier than before to get a visa (not kidding). Canadian universities are seeing 500% increases in applications, even tourism is down, because of exactly this sort of worry. The fear is enormous, but the actual changes are small, ergo, could be easier to get a visa now.

askafriend 9y ago

There were numbers released recently that showed that tourism since 2015 in top destinations increased - with the exception of 2 countries where it declined (Turkey, and USA). https://twitter.com/FitzGeraldUCSD/status/955139776901869568 https://twitter.com/FitzGeraldUCSD/status/955139776901869568

taytus 9y ago

Not sure why you are getting downvoted. I feel this is a real fear many people are feeling right now.

dmode 9y ago

It has already impacted tourism and international student enrollment in colleges. Logically, business creation would follow. Canada is reaping the benefits. Tourism is up 20% and college enrollment is up by significant percentage as well.

willhslade 9y ago
Source please?
- dmode 9y ago
  For tourism decline: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-17/how-to-reverse-america-s-foreign-tourist-problem https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-17/how-to-re... For college enrollment decline: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/us/fewer-foreign-students-coming-to-us.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/us/fewer-foreign-students...

0800 9y ago

Anecdotal, but: I myself turned down a job offer in SV in part due to Trump. When asking 4 random co-workers, none seem keen to move to the US, 2 of them even citing safety concerns (they are minorities from India and Africa and heard horror stories of former colleagues still in the US).

snowmaker 9y ago

So far, it has not impacted our founders. The international founders in the current batch did not have any more trouble than founders in the past.