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The article's tacit acknowledgment of the legitimacy of arresting people for having had the app installed at all is pretty off-colour as well.

Quarrelsome 9y ago
one problem at a time.
- philipov 9y ago
  Yes, precisely. And the first problem can be eliminating tacit acknowledgement of the legitimacy of oppressive governments.
  - Quarrelsome 9y ago
    No need to bring all of your moral judgement into everything. Would you treat a wounded criminal or would their criminality effect your ability to treat them? One problem at a time.
    - nasredin 9y ago
      I don't follow your analogy. IMHO, a better one: Your friend (used loosely in this case) is doing criminal acts. Would you tell him to stop doing criminal acts while you treat him? --- Sometimes journalist take this "ALLWAYS two sides to every story" and "each side is equal" crap too far. See the success of Wolf's book on Trump.
      - Quarrelsome 9y ago
        there are two problems here: 1. Turkey's government is brutally suppressing opposition 2. The means Turkey is using to identify its opposition is flawed. You don't have to talk 1. to talk 2. Case in point is that you can legally talk 2. in Turkey but if you talk 1. you get fucked. If you try to fight 2. you help a bunch of people if you try to fight both 1. and 2. at the same time the chance of you solving 2. is diminished because Turkey's government will be suspicious that it is propaganda against them because you included 1. Thus: one problem at a time. Also remember that your attitude leads to shit like Iraq. Its perfectly "legitimate" for a government to be autocratic. Russia is a government, Iran is a government, China is a government. They wield the power, is that not legitimate? You seem to be suggesting that only "legitimate" governments are democracies and that sort of attitude leads us back to Iraq where we go on a liberation war and heroically give people a democracy that they didn't fight for themselves. Reality is messy and complicated and "nice" ideas like making everyone have the good government are well intentioned but naive. I will celebrate the day Turkey gets its democracy back but it has to do that itself and its not the problem of anyone who isn't Turkish as their "help" may well hinder.
namelost 9y ago
If you hadn't pointed it out I wouldn't even have noticed. The CBC is the last place you expect to find Turkish propaganda.
- mcguire 9y ago
  Failure to do so could put CBC personnel in Turkey in danger.
  - AdrianB1 9y ago
    So writing incomplete or misleading news is the solution?
Waterluvian 9y ago
I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but I often see reporting attempt to speak about something in the context from which it originates. An opinion piece can come later about how unbelievable it is that they do this to begin with.
- candiodari 9y ago
  Many things about Turkey are incredulous. Turkey used to be a bastion of secularism, in fact the only bastion of secularism among muslims (and it still is, at least in terms of mindshare). And yet turkey now has a president ... that obviously gained the better part of his power through a false-flag attack (the "coup d'etat" that "somehow" managed to fail to capture even a single government official or building). And you just can't believe how bad it gets ... They're arresting everyone who supposedly had anything (right down to IP addresses) to do with, oh, lots of things. Gulenists, Kurds, the Press, LGBT, ... And then people in the US reply "but that's thousands, no, tens of thousands of people". Yes. Yes it is [1]. And you just can't believe how bad this guy is: (about the Armenian genocide) "a muslim cannot commit genocide" (about women) "Our religion [Islam] has defined a position for women [in society]: motherhood. You cannot explain this to feminists because they don't accept the concept of motherhood." He, and his family, personally organised oil sales on behalf of islamic state, including to the US "We will rip out the roots of the Twitter service" He orchestrated physical attacks against newspapers. The worst of it is, truth be told he has flip-flopped on just about every issue, including the ones mentioned right above here, and doesn't seem all that coherent at all. But unscrupulous is a word that just falls short : the guy is accused to have organised, in some cases systematic, physical attacks against Turks in Germany, the US and elsewhere for being perceived as being against him. I can't imagine how threatened Turks must feel. [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/14/europe/turkey-failed-coup-arrests-detained/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/14/europe/turkey-failed-coup-...
  - smnscu 9y ago
    I love how Americans immediately forgot the time when Erdogan's goons beat the shit out of their own people with the tacit and satisfied approval of the orange shitstain. http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/22/erdogans-goons-beat-up-some-more-americans/ http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/22/erdogans-goons-beat-up-som...
zamazingo 9y ago
I am guessing the author would get arrested without that tacit acknowledgement. > ... is a CBC News correspondent based in Istanbul.

Quarrelsome 9y ago

one problem at a time.

philipov 9y ago
Yes, precisely. And the first problem can be eliminating tacit acknowledgement of the legitimacy of oppressive governments.
- Quarrelsome 9y ago
  No need to bring all of your moral judgement into everything. Would you treat a wounded criminal or would their criminality effect your ability to treat them? One problem at a time.
  - nasredin 9y ago
    I don't follow your analogy. IMHO, a better one: Your friend (used loosely in this case) is doing criminal acts. Would you tell him to stop doing criminal acts while you treat him? --- Sometimes journalist take this "ALLWAYS two sides to every story" and "each side is equal" crap too far. See the success of Wolf's book on Trump.
    - Quarrelsome 9y ago
      there are two problems here: 1. Turkey's government is brutally suppressing opposition 2. The means Turkey is using to identify its opposition is flawed. You don't have to talk 1. to talk 2. Case in point is that you can legally talk 2. in Turkey but if you talk 1. you get fucked. If you try to fight 2. you help a bunch of people if you try to fight both 1. and 2. at the same time the chance of you solving 2. is diminished because Turkey's government will be suspicious that it is propaganda against them because you included 1. Thus: one problem at a time. Also remember that your attitude leads to shit like Iraq. Its perfectly "legitimate" for a government to be autocratic. Russia is a government, Iran is a government, China is a government. They wield the power, is that not legitimate? You seem to be suggesting that only "legitimate" governments are democracies and that sort of attitude leads us back to Iraq where we go on a liberation war and heroically give people a democracy that they didn't fight for themselves. Reality is messy and complicated and "nice" ideas like making everyone have the good government are well intentioned but naive. I will celebrate the day Turkey gets its democracy back but it has to do that itself and its not the problem of anyone who isn't Turkish as their "help" may well hinder.

namelost 9y ago

If you hadn't pointed it out I wouldn't even have noticed. The CBC is the last place you expect to find Turkish propaganda.

mcguire 9y ago
Failure to do so could put CBC personnel in Turkey in danger.
- AdrianB1 9y ago
  So writing incomplete or misleading news is the solution?

Waterluvian 9y ago

I'm not completely disagreeing with you, but I often see reporting attempt to speak about something in the context from which it originates. An opinion piece can come later about how unbelievable it is that they do this to begin with.

candiodari 9y ago
Many things about Turkey are incredulous. Turkey used to be a bastion of secularism, in fact the only bastion of secularism among muslims (and it still is, at least in terms of mindshare). And yet turkey now has a president ... that obviously gained the better part of his power through a false-flag attack (the "coup d'etat" that "somehow" managed to fail to capture even a single government official or building). And you just can't believe how bad it gets ... They're arresting everyone who supposedly had anything (right down to IP addresses) to do with, oh, lots of things. Gulenists, Kurds, the Press, LGBT, ... And then people in the US reply "but that's thousands, no, tens of thousands of people". Yes. Yes it is [1]. And you just can't believe how bad this guy is: (about the Armenian genocide) "a muslim cannot commit genocide" (about women) "Our religion [Islam] has defined a position for women [in society]: motherhood. You cannot explain this to feminists because they don't accept the concept of motherhood." He, and his family, personally organised oil sales on behalf of islamic state, including to the US "We will rip out the roots of the Twitter service" He orchestrated physical attacks against newspapers. The worst of it is, truth be told he has flip-flopped on just about every issue, including the ones mentioned right above here, and doesn't seem all that coherent at all. But unscrupulous is a word that just falls short : the guy is accused to have organised, in some cases systematic, physical attacks against Turks in Germany, the US and elsewhere for being perceived as being against him. I can't imagine how threatened Turks must feel. [1] http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/14/europe/turkey-failed-coup-arrests-detained/index.html http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/14/europe/turkey-failed-coup-...
- smnscu 9y ago
  I love how Americans immediately forgot the time when Erdogan's goons beat the shit out of their own people with the tacit and satisfied approval of the orange shitstain. http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/22/erdogans-goons-beat-up-some-more-americans/ http://dailycaller.com/2017/09/22/erdogans-goons-beat-up-som...

zamazingo 9y ago

I am guessing the author would get arrested without that tacit acknowledgement. > ... is a CBC News correspondent based in Istanbul.