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Pc culture? What are you talking about? Linus is pc (in that he doesn't go on misogynistic, racist, or similar rants and doesn't denigrate people for their non
by jimktrains2 9y ago
Pc culture? What are you talking about? Linus is pc (in that he doesn't go on misogynistic, racist, or similar rants and doesn't denigrate people for their non-technical decisions) , he's just not nice to those that should know better.
While I think you've also been bitten by the "we accept everyone! (who thinks the way we do)" crowd as well, this is not the place or the way to express that frustration.
- pessimizer 9y agoSome people think that directness and honesty is identical to saying racist, sexist, and homophobic things. So "PC" becomes equivalent to "lying to make people like you."
- Ygg2 9y agoThe argument goes like this, the acerbic culture that grows around Linus is toxic towards female and (sexual/ethnic) minorities, because such contributor are disinclined to join projects where the lead can get verbally abusive. From what I've gathered the findings are based on real data.
- theptip 9y ago> based on real data Citation? Sounds interesting.
- Filligree 9y agoThat's hardly limited to women. It's the same reason I have no intention of ever contributing to the kernel.
- PopsiclePete 9y agoI'd be absolutely terrified to submit a patch, ever. "What the fuck is this? This came from Satan's butt-hole. Kill whoever did this - kill them immediately, here, I'll go and find this asshole who submitted this patch, and do it for you, you lazy ingrates, why do I have to do everything around here?"
- boomboomsubban 9y agoThis isn't some lone beginner trying to help improve Linux, this is a billion dollar company with decades of experience trying to cover their own ass. Judging by Linus' thousands of emails on the mailing lists, any reply you got would be polite and helpful.
- Filligree 9y agoSo, how likely do you think Linus is to look past the fact that I work for Google? It doesn't make me any less of a beginner in the space. :P
- boomboomsubban 9y agoIf Google were making you upload the patches to fix some huge problem in every Chromebook, you wouldn't get the beginners treatment. If it was some universal bug fix or optimization I doubt the Google connection would matter.
- greyfade 9y agoSpeaking for myself, this is partly why I want to contribute to the kernel. I tend not to take my own mistakes very seriously unless they come with serious consequences. Having someone I respect tear into me would, I think, force me to take greater care and apply more attention to my work than I already do. I've heard similar anecdotes from people who have contributed. I even recall a female contributor say something positive about it.
- megous 9y agoThen you're needlessly limiting yourself, as you'd very unlikely run into any verbal abuse. If anything you'd have trouble getting code in because maintainer thinks it would add more complexity than is necessary, or would make his job harder in the future, or after writing and testing the code, you'd find out you should have been doing things differently, etc. These are much more probable ways to get discouraged from contributing kernel code. There's a high bar to getting code in, and that can be frustrating. But it also keeps the mainline attractive to users and developers, because of ever improving code quality.
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- madaxe_again 9y agoThose people are wrong. Don’t worry about them.
- EpicEng 9y ago>Some people think that directness and honesty is identical to saying racist, sexist, and homophobic things Not any serious people, so why do we care?
- jokola 9y agoThere are plenty of ordinary people that e.g. prefer one religion to other or believe in traditional gender roles. Some of those people believe they should be able to express those opinions in the same way people express opinions about diversity or equality regardless if other people considered those opinions e.g. sexist. I happen to disagree with those people, but I wouldn't consider their opinions less serious.
- EpicEng 9y agoSo you wouldn't consider an opinion 'less serious' if the opinion is that directness and honesty is identical to saying racist, sexist, and homophobic things? Because that's what we're talking about, and I would absolutely write that off as 100% nonsense. Just because someone believes in something doesn't mean it's not stupid.
- wyager 9y agoBecause we have to deal with them on a daily basis and they have political power? I’m not sure how you’re defining “not serious”.
- EpicEng 9y agoWho are these people? Do you have names? I don't see this at all in people with political power. Who are you 'dealing with on a daily basis'?
- Libturd 9y agothey're called liberals