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Having a Linus who doesn't yell at people will be any day better than having one who abuses others at will. He needs to take anger management classes. We could

Having a Linus who doesn't yell at people will be any day better than having one who abuses others at will. He needs to take anger management classes. We could seriously do with a little less high-headedness in the world.

icelancer 9y ago
>> Having a Linus who doesn't yell at people And having my cake and eating it too in every scenario would be great. That's not how things work all the time. It's up to you to deal with it, not Linus to change. He's the scarce resource. He has the leverage. You're just someone on the Internet mad.
- piyush_soni 9y ago
  Again, your understanding is that intelligent people have the right to abuse. That's just akin to supporting oppression of weaker by stronger. That might be how things are for a lot of people, but not how they should be. Also, mad internet people have historically changed a lot of things, so I'm justified in showing my disapproval even if it won't change Linus. Changing at least one upcoming Linus in life would be a good enough goal.
  - syshum 9y ago
    >> right to abuse. Equating harsh even personally offensive language to "abuse" is the biggest disagreement here. Many people, myself included, prescribe to axiom of "sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me" I understand that the current generation believes that feels are the most important thing ever... I reject the idea that a person has the right not be offended, and I reject the idea that words on a linux mailing list are abuse
    - FuckOffNeemo 9y ago
      Started writing a response before reading your own, I think you've nailed my perspective on the matter. Abuse is not offense, offense is not abuse.
      - piyush_soni 9y ago
        Oxford dictionary says otherwise. Replied to the parent comment with references.
    - piyush_soni 9y ago
      It doesn't matter what meaning you personally attribute to it, harsh, deliberately insulting language is "verbal abuse". References: 1. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abuse https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abuse (Look for meaning 3) 2. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse Look for 'verbal abuse'.
      - syshum 9y ago
        Ahh the old Appeal to Definition fallacy, I figured that would be your only retort. Very common. You know full well that in the context of this discussion you are attempting to conjure an emotional reaction based on an abuse definition of "Treat with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly." then use that emotional response in order to coerce people into self censor and speak in a manner you find acceptable and politically correct.
        piyush_soni 9y ago
        Not sure what made you think all these things you're writing. By abuse I simply meant 'verbal abuse'. You yourself first apply hyperbolic meaning to the word, and then say it's not that. The whole argument is kind of strange to me. And when did showing dictionary meaning of the dictionary word I'm using start to be a fallacy of argument?
        syshum 9y ago
        Either you are trolling, or naive into the Politically Correct Social Justice world around you if you do not understand the point of view I am speaking against. World where people are fired from their jobs because they tell a joke someone finds offensive, I world where you are just one twit or one overheard conversation away from the outrage mob ruining your life..
        piyush_soni 9y ago
        I think others have clearly communicated who they think is the troll by flagging.
  - Retra 9y ago
    Maybe you should be more concerned about people who are actually threats to you, rather than those who just use language you don't like.
    - piyush_soni 9y ago
      I'm already more concerned about the people who are an actual threat to me, just that I'm also concerned about prolific people using abusive language to insult lesser intelligent people. If I write in the tone that everybody else here is writing in support of Linus' abusive language, I'd say "I am what I am, get over it".
- davidkuhta 9y ago
  Even if I was offended by his communication style, I agree that his technical acumen ought to afford him freedom to communicate as he pleases (possibly limiting to the realm of his expertise). I've found this quote by Neil Gaiman to be applicable to more than just Freelancing: > You get work however you get work, but people keep working in a freelance world (and more and more of todays world is freelance), because their work is good, because they are easy to get along with and because they deliver the work on time. And you don’t even need all three! Two out of three is fine. People will tolerate how unpleasant you are if your work is good and you deliver it on time. People will forgive the lateness of your work if it is good and they like you. And you don’t have to be as good as everyone else if you’re on time and it’s always a pleasure to hear from you
bobjob 9y ago
No, it will not. Because then we get a Linus who would have to maintain a filter as well as his technical expertise. The later would suffer, I'm shure.

icelancer 9y ago

>> Having a Linus who doesn't yell at people And having my cake and eating it too in every scenario would be great. That's not how things work all the time. It's up to you to deal with it, not Linus to change. He's the scarce resource. He has the leverage. You're just someone on the Internet mad.

piyush_soni 9y ago
Again, your understanding is that intelligent people have the right to abuse. That's just akin to supporting oppression of weaker by stronger. That might be how things are for a lot of people, but not how they should be. Also, mad internet people have historically changed a lot of things, so I'm justified in showing my disapproval even if it won't change Linus. Changing at least one upcoming Linus in life would be a good enough goal.
- syshum 9y ago
  >> right to abuse. Equating harsh even personally offensive language to "abuse" is the biggest disagreement here. Many people, myself included, prescribe to axiom of "sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me" I understand that the current generation believes that feels are the most important thing ever... I reject the idea that a person has the right not be offended, and I reject the idea that words on a linux mailing list are abuse
  - FuckOffNeemo 9y ago
    Started writing a response before reading your own, I think you've nailed my perspective on the matter. Abuse is not offense, offense is not abuse.
    - piyush_soni 9y ago
      Oxford dictionary says otherwise. Replied to the parent comment with references.
  - piyush_soni 9y ago
    It doesn't matter what meaning you personally attribute to it, harsh, deliberately insulting language is "verbal abuse". References: 1. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abuse https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abuse (Look for meaning 3) 2. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse Look for 'verbal abuse'.
    - syshum 9y ago
      Ahh the old Appeal to Definition fallacy, I figured that would be your only retort. Very common. You know full well that in the context of this discussion you are attempting to conjure an emotional reaction based on an abuse definition of "Treat with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly." then use that emotional response in order to coerce people into self censor and speak in a manner you find acceptable and politically correct.
      - piyush_soni 9y ago
        Not sure what made you think all these things you're writing. By abuse I simply meant 'verbal abuse'. You yourself first apply hyperbolic meaning to the word, and then say it's not that. The whole argument is kind of strange to me. And when did showing dictionary meaning of the dictionary word I'm using start to be a fallacy of argument?
        syshum 9y ago
        Either you are trolling, or naive into the Politically Correct Social Justice world around you if you do not understand the point of view I am speaking against. World where people are fired from their jobs because they tell a joke someone finds offensive, I world where you are just one twit or one overheard conversation away from the outrage mob ruining your life..
        piyush_soni 9y ago
        I think others have clearly communicated who they think is the troll by flagging.
- Retra 9y ago
  Maybe you should be more concerned about people who are actually threats to you, rather than those who just use language you don't like.
  - piyush_soni 9y ago
    I'm already more concerned about the people who are an actual threat to me, just that I'm also concerned about prolific people using abusive language to insult lesser intelligent people. If I write in the tone that everybody else here is writing in support of Linus' abusive language, I'd say "I am what I am, get over it".
davidkuhta 9y ago
Even if I was offended by his communication style, I agree that his technical acumen ought to afford him freedom to communicate as he pleases (possibly limiting to the realm of his expertise). I've found this quote by Neil Gaiman to be applicable to more than just Freelancing: > You get work however you get work, but people keep working in a freelance world (and more and more of todays world is freelance), because their work is good, because they are easy to get along with and because they deliver the work on time. And you don’t even need all three! Two out of three is fine. People will tolerate how unpleasant you are if your work is good and you deliver it on time. People will forgive the lateness of your work if it is good and they like you. And you don’t have to be as good as everyone else if you’re on time and it’s always a pleasure to hear from you

bobjob 9y ago

No, it will not. Because then we get a Linus who would have to maintain a filter as well as his technical expertise. The later would suffer, I'm shure.