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BULLSHIT (I hear you like it). It's about basic etiquette, and treating humans as humans. No amount of gifted skill is a threshold for crossing that behavior ba

BULLSHIT (I hear you like it). It's about basic etiquette, and treating humans as humans. No amount of gifted skill is a threshold for crossing that behavior barrier.

icelancer 9y ago
>>No amount of gifted skill is a threshold for crossing that behavior barrier. Sure there is. You would rather have Linus in your life who yells at people than not. Linus being an asshole is something you have to deal with to get access to his intelligence. I suggest you make peace with this understanding, as it applies to far more people than Linus.
- piyush_soni 9y ago
  Having a Linus who doesn't yell at people will be any day better than having one who abuses others at will. He needs to take anger management classes. We could seriously do with a little less high-headedness in the world.
  - icelancer 9y ago
    >> Having a Linus who doesn't yell at people And having my cake and eating it too in every scenario would be great. That's not how things work all the time. It's up to you to deal with it, not Linus to change. He's the scarce resource. He has the leverage. You're just someone on the Internet mad.
    - piyush_soni 9y ago
      Again, your understanding is that intelligent people have the right to abuse. That's just akin to supporting oppression of weaker by stronger. That might be how things are for a lot of people, but not how they should be. Also, mad internet people have historically changed a lot of things, so I'm justified in showing my disapproval even if it won't change Linus. Changing at least one upcoming Linus in life would be a good enough goal.
      - syshum 9y ago
        >> right to abuse. Equating harsh even personally offensive language to "abuse" is the biggest disagreement here. Many people, myself included, prescribe to axiom of "sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me" I understand that the current generation believes that feels are the most important thing ever... I reject the idea that a person has the right not be offended, and I reject the idea that words on a linux mailing list are abuse
        FuckOffNeemo 9y ago
        Started writing a response before reading your own, I think you've nailed my perspective on the matter. Abuse is not offense, offense is not abuse.
        piyush_soni 9y ago
        Oxford dictionary says otherwise. Replied to the parent comment with references.
        piyush_soni 9y ago
        It doesn't matter what meaning you personally attribute to it, harsh, deliberately insulting language is "verbal abuse". References: 1. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abuse https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abuse (Look for meaning 3) 2. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse Look for 'verbal abuse'.
        syshum 9y ago
        Ahh the old Appeal to Definition fallacy, I figured that would be your only retort. Very common. You know full well that in the context of this discussion you are attempting to conjure an emotional reaction based on an abuse definition of "Treat with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly." then use that emotional response in order to coerce people into self censor and speak in a manner you find acceptable and politically correct.
    - davidkuhta 9y ago
      Even if I was offended by his communication style, I agree that his technical acumen ought to afford him freedom to communicate as he pleases (possibly limiting to the realm of his expertise). I've found this quote by Neil Gaiman to be applicable to more than just Freelancing: > You get work however you get work, but people keep working in a freelance world (and more and more of todays world is freelance), because their work is good, because they are easy to get along with and because they deliver the work on time. And you don’t even need all three! Two out of three is fine. People will tolerate how unpleasant you are if your work is good and you deliver it on time. People will forgive the lateness of your work if it is good and they like you. And you don’t have to be as good as everyone else if you’re on time and it’s always a pleasure to hear from you
  - bobjob 9y ago
    No, it will not. Because then we get a Linus who would have to maintain a filter as well as his technical expertise. The later would suffer, I'm shure.
davidkuhta 9y ago
While I believe your perspective to be reasonable, you do realize that your first sentence undermines your credibility to assert there validity.
- davidkuhta 9y ago
  For random future internet individuals, i know, i know: *there should be their should be its...
- piyush_soni 9y ago
  Sometimes like for like treatment is necessary.

BULLSHIT (I hear you like it). It's about basic etiquette, and treating humans as humans. No amount of gifted skill is a threshold for crossing that behavior barrier.

icelancer 9y ago

>>No amount of gifted skill is a threshold for crossing that behavior barrier. Sure there is. You would rather have Linus in your life who yells at people than not. Linus being an asshole is something you have to deal with to get access to his intelligence. I suggest you make peace with this understanding, as it applies to far more people than Linus.

piyush_soni 9y ago
Having a Linus who doesn't yell at people will be any day better than having one who abuses others at will. He needs to take anger management classes. We could seriously do with a little less high-headedness in the world.
- icelancer 9y ago
  >> Having a Linus who doesn't yell at people And having my cake and eating it too in every scenario would be great. That's not how things work all the time. It's up to you to deal with it, not Linus to change. He's the scarce resource. He has the leverage. You're just someone on the Internet mad.
  - piyush_soni 9y ago
    Again, your understanding is that intelligent people have the right to abuse. That's just akin to supporting oppression of weaker by stronger. That might be how things are for a lot of people, but not how they should be. Also, mad internet people have historically changed a lot of things, so I'm justified in showing my disapproval even if it won't change Linus. Changing at least one upcoming Linus in life would be a good enough goal.
    - syshum 9y ago
      >> right to abuse. Equating harsh even personally offensive language to "abuse" is the biggest disagreement here. Many people, myself included, prescribe to axiom of "sticks and stones will break my bones but words can never hurt me" I understand that the current generation believes that feels are the most important thing ever... I reject the idea that a person has the right not be offended, and I reject the idea that words on a linux mailing list are abuse
      - FuckOffNeemo 9y ago
        Started writing a response before reading your own, I think you've nailed my perspective on the matter. Abuse is not offense, offense is not abuse.
        piyush_soni 9y ago
        Oxford dictionary says otherwise. Replied to the parent comment with references.
      - piyush_soni 9y ago
        It doesn't matter what meaning you personally attribute to it, harsh, deliberately insulting language is "verbal abuse". References: 1. https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abuse https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/abuse (Look for meaning 3) 2. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse http://www.thefreedictionary.com/abuse Look for 'verbal abuse'.
        syshum 9y ago
        Ahh the old Appeal to Definition fallacy, I figured that would be your only retort. Very common. You know full well that in the context of this discussion you are attempting to conjure an emotional reaction based on an abuse definition of "Treat with cruelty or violence, especially regularly or repeatedly." then use that emotional response in order to coerce people into self censor and speak in a manner you find acceptable and politically correct.
  - davidkuhta 9y ago
    Even if I was offended by his communication style, I agree that his technical acumen ought to afford him freedom to communicate as he pleases (possibly limiting to the realm of his expertise). I've found this quote by Neil Gaiman to be applicable to more than just Freelancing: > You get work however you get work, but people keep working in a freelance world (and more and more of todays world is freelance), because their work is good, because they are easy to get along with and because they deliver the work on time. And you don’t even need all three! Two out of three is fine. People will tolerate how unpleasant you are if your work is good and you deliver it on time. People will forgive the lateness of your work if it is good and they like you. And you don’t have to be as good as everyone else if you’re on time and it’s always a pleasure to hear from you
- bobjob 9y ago
  No, it will not. Because then we get a Linus who would have to maintain a filter as well as his technical expertise. The later would suffer, I'm shure.

davidkuhta 9y ago

While I believe your perspective to be reasonable, you do realize that your first sentence undermines your credibility to assert there validity.

davidkuhta 9y ago
For random future internet individuals, i know, i know: *there should be their should be its...
piyush_soni 9y ago
Sometimes like for like treatment is necessary.