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>In short: many of the highest ideals of the later European Enlightenment had been conceived and summarised by one man, working in an Ethiopian cave from 1630 t
by j9461701 9y ago
>In short: many of the highest ideals of the later European Enlightenment had been conceived and summarised by one man, working in an Ethiopian cave from 1630 to 1632.
All of the highest ideals of the European enlightenment had been conceived by dozens of people all throughout human history. I fail to see what makes Yacob special in this regard.
For example:
>He believed in the supremacy of reason
So did Aristotle. So did Socrates. So did most major Greek philosophers.
Also the supremacy of reason was part of the problem with the Athenian school of philosophical thought - Aristotle reasoned the octopus was a stupid animal because it was extremely curious, and he reasoned women had fewer teeth than men did, and he reasoned many things that were flatly wrong. Empericism is what changed the world, with rationalism as a supporting pillar, not pure logic itself divorced from evidence and experiment.
>In this way, Yacob opens up an enlightened discourse on the subjectivity of religion, while still believing in some kind of universal Creator.
Again, why does this make him special? Socrates was famously made to drink hemlock for his incessant questioning of the gods and the validity of religion.
>Yacob is also more enlightened than his Enlightenment peers when it comes to slavery. In chapter five, he argues against the idea that one can ‘go and buy a man as if he were an animal’.
"He has waged cruel war against human nature itself, violating its most sacred rights of life and liberty in the persons of a distant people who never offended him, captivating & carrying them into slavery in another hemisphere or to incur miserable death in their transportation thither. This piratical warfare, the opprobrium of infidel powers, is the warfare of the Christian King of Great Britain. Determined to keep open a market where Men should be bought & sold, he has prostituted his negative for suppressing every legislative attempt to prohibit or restrain this execrable commerce. And that this assemblage of horrors might want no fact of distinguished die, he is now exciting those very people to rise in arms among us, and to purchase that liberty of which he has deprived them, by murdering the people on whom he has obtruded them: thus paying off former crimes committed again the Liberties of one people, with crimes which he urges them to commit against the lives of another."
-Thomas Jefferson, clause from first draft of the Declaration of Independence, removed due to Southern opposition (note: Jefferson owned a lot of slaves, and kept them his whole life)
Englithenment thinkers did not condone slavery, they were just willing to profit off it. Which is a cowardly and immoral thing to do, but again Yacob's thinking is not unique here.
>Within the discipline of history, new studies have shown that the most successful revolution to spring from the Enlightenment ideas of liberty, equality, and fraternity was in Haiti rather than in France.
'Most successful' here meaning it ended in ethnic cleansing, frequent atrocity (including a castle "built on the bones of children"), and centuries of misery and death that continues to the present day while France....is one of the most prosperous nations on Earth.
At the risk of being reductionist, this article strikes me as being in a similar vein to "Ancient Egyptians were black!". That is, an attempt to elevate a modern minority group to higher prestige by attributing to them historical achievements they didn't really have any part in.
- jrs95 9y agoYacob is automatically treated as morally superior because he’s African. That’s the whole point. It’s not actually about who said what first. That’s just being used as a pretense for pushing his superiority (and the moral superiority of people of color in general, which totally goes against the ideas of individualism Yacob and others talked about).
- angersock 9y agoWhat if it's just an interesting historical fact? Does everything have to be jammed into the culturewar narrative?
- jrs95 9y agoI highly doubt that, it was an explicitly political and racial article. It could basically be summarized like: Yacob is the real creator of enlightenment ideas, and he’s morally pure unlike those evil racist white guys who just said a less good version of what he did.
- dang 9y agoWould you please stop using HN for ideological battle? This kind of argument is always predictable: people trading the same grievances and counter-grievances over and over. The culture wars and all that crap are beyond tedious, it's all off topic here, and the vast majority of HN users have zero interest in it. People shouldn't have to wade through sludge every time anything distantly related shows up. If you don't find this article interesting, that's fine, but please don't trash the thread for those who do. Alan Kay famously said that a new point of view is worth 80 IQ points. An ideology is worth -80.
- jrs95 9y agoI apologize, I didn’t intend to pull the thread off topic. Clearly I was interpreting the article differently than most people were. I had only responded so strongly because it initially struck me as being ideological content.