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Unfortunately, to date, Matrix[1] suffers from a shortage of quality client apps. Riot.im[2][3], while the most advanced among others[4], is far from being conv

by nirv 9y ago

Unfortunately, to date, Matrix[1] suffers from a shortage of quality client apps. Riot.im[2][3], while the most advanced among others[4], is far from being convenient. Electron-based desktop client is subpar in terms of UX and performance, whereas the Android client is a disaster for the battery. However, I do hope Matrix will overcome these issues and take it's place as an underlying protocol for the Jabber/XMPP(/IRC) use-cases. [1] https://matrix.org/ https://matrix.org/ [2] https://riot.im/ https://riot.im/ [3] https://github.com/vector-im https://github.com/vector-im [4] https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html https://matrix.org/docs/projects/try-matrix-now.html

ramblenode 9y ago
Disagree about Riot. I find the Android client very similar to WhatsApp and just as good except for a few minor issues: confirming private keys for E2E isn't done automatically as in WhatsApp (arguably better because it's more secure), the quote feature just copies text, and media files sometimes take longer to receive and will re-download. But Riot also has some big advantages like being able to send arbitrary file types and using the system emoji. Additionally, the desktop web app for Riot is far and away better than WhatsApp Web IMO, which is horribly non-performant, bringing my web browser to a crawl and steadily throttling up my CPU over time. I consider it almost unusable. As far as battery usage on Android, I do not share your experience. I am seeing 8% of total usage on a phone primarily used for texting and reading emails and news. It's less than the 9% from Google Play services, and slightly more than a newsreader app at 6%. Unfortunately I can't offer a comparison to WhatsApp.
- nirv 9y ago
  I've never used WhatsApp, can't really compare. But we—team of ten tech-savvy persons—rolled back to Telegram in three days after trying RiotIM. Manual E2E keys sharing in Riot is not perfect, but definitely better than the lack of E2E at all in Telegram, however Linux desktop and especially Android performance was dreadful. At least that was the state at the beginning of the summer of 2017. How long do you use Riot? Can you confirm there have been significant changes since 2017Q2?

by nirv 9y ago

ramblenode 9y ago

Disagree about Riot. I find the Android client very similar to WhatsApp and just as good except for a few minor issues: confirming private keys for E2E isn't done automatically as in WhatsApp (arguably better because it's more secure), the quote feature just copies text, and media files sometimes take longer to receive and will re-download. But Riot also has some big advantages like being able to send arbitrary file types and using the system emoji. Additionally, the desktop web app for Riot is far and away better than WhatsApp Web IMO, which is horribly non-performant, bringing my web browser to a crawl and steadily throttling up my CPU over time. I consider it almost unusable. As far as battery usage on Android, I do not share your experience. I am seeing 8% of total usage on a phone primarily used for texting and reading emails and news. It's less than the 9% from Google Play services, and slightly more than a newsreader app at 6%. Unfortunately I can't offer a comparison to WhatsApp.

nirv 9y ago
I've never used WhatsApp, can't really compare. But we—team of ten tech-savvy persons—rolled back to Telegram in three days after trying RiotIM. Manual E2E keys sharing in Riot is not perfect, but definitely better than the lack of E2E at all in Telegram, however Linux desktop and especially Android performance was dreadful. At least that was the state at the beginning of the summer of 2017. How long do you use Riot? Can you confirm there have been significant changes since 2017Q2?