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...that really isn’t true here. The situation could immediately be resolved if the Democrats voted for a clean CR. There isn’t anything in that that the Democra

...that really isn’t true here. The situation could immediately be resolved if the Democrats voted for a clean CR. There isn’t anything in that that the Democrats object to - it just doesn’t have some of the things they do want. Look, I’m all for DACA and the dems here, but saying that this is 100% the Republicans fault is objectively false.

cryptoz 9y ago
DACA and the Democrats stance is not why the government is shut down. The government is shut down because it (the Republican party that is in charge of all branches of government) is inept and also seemingly outright evil (making it less likely to get happy cooperation from Democrats). This issue is 100% Republican fault and there is no way around that.
- Armisael16 9y ago
  It’s really simple math. The Republicans have 50 of the 99 votes in the Senate (McCain is currently out due to illness). They need 60 votes to pass a CR (or for none of the Dems to filibuster). (50 < 60) => no CR without Democratic support. The Democrats could support the CR but have chosen not to. Therefore the Democrats have at least some culpability.
  - cryptoz 9y ago
    Forcing the situation where this happens is the Republican's fault. Your "simple math" simply excludes how the situation arose in the first place. Placing blame on the Democrats for this situation makes no sense; if the Republicans had been remotely skilled at governing for the last year then there would be no stupid threat of a midnight shutdown. The democrats are not to blame for this mess. The Republicans are. Also, the President already agreed with the Democrats plan. The problem is clear: the republicans cannot agree on anything inside their own party, the President is incapable of holding simple conversations or making reasoned arguments about policy, etc. This is the Republicans fault 100% and there is no way around it. A functioning government would never let this situation occur due to the destabilizing nature it has. The only solution is for Republicans to become reasonable human beings.
    - andrenth 9y ago
      > A functioning government would never let this situation occur due to the destabilizing nature it has. Was this your opinion in the Obama shutdown too?
  - sundaeofshock 9y ago
    The GOP could end the filibuster and pass the CR with a simple majority, much like they did for SC justices, and the Dems did for federal judges.
    - Armisael16 9y ago
      True. I wasn’t considering the nuclear option. I suppose that may be poor practice these days.

cryptoz 9y ago

DACA and the Democrats stance is not why the government is shut down. The government is shut down because it (the Republican party that is in charge of all branches of government) is inept and also seemingly outright evil (making it less likely to get happy cooperation from Democrats). This issue is 100% Republican fault and there is no way around that.

Armisael16 9y ago
It’s really simple math. The Republicans have 50 of the 99 votes in the Senate (McCain is currently out due to illness). They need 60 votes to pass a CR (or for none of the Dems to filibuster). (50 < 60) => no CR without Democratic support. The Democrats could support the CR but have chosen not to. Therefore the Democrats have at least some culpability.
- cryptoz 9y ago
  Forcing the situation where this happens is the Republican's fault. Your "simple math" simply excludes how the situation arose in the first place. Placing blame on the Democrats for this situation makes no sense; if the Republicans had been remotely skilled at governing for the last year then there would be no stupid threat of a midnight shutdown. The democrats are not to blame for this mess. The Republicans are. Also, the President already agreed with the Democrats plan. The problem is clear: the republicans cannot agree on anything inside their own party, the President is incapable of holding simple conversations or making reasoned arguments about policy, etc. This is the Republicans fault 100% and there is no way around it. A functioning government would never let this situation occur due to the destabilizing nature it has. The only solution is for Republicans to become reasonable human beings.
  - andrenth 9y ago
    > A functioning government would never let this situation occur due to the destabilizing nature it has. Was this your opinion in the Obama shutdown too?
- sundaeofshock 9y ago
  The GOP could end the filibuster and pass the CR with a simple majority, much like they did for SC justices, and the Dems did for federal judges.
  - Armisael16 9y ago
    True. I wasn’t considering the nuclear option. I suppose that may be poor practice these days.