It doesn't mention http://vanilla-js.com/ http://vanilla-js.com/ :-P I know it's just a joke, but maybe there should be a section about not using frameworks a

It doesn't mention http://vanilla-js.com/ http://vanilla-js.com/ :-P I know it's just a joke, but maybe there should be a section about not using frameworks at all? I'm also curious about the weight of these frameworks. Once you minify and treeshake everything, what's the minimum you can get down to in order to deliver an app? Also, do any of these frameworks have a way to degrade for people without Javascript enabled? From what I understand, the only way to do this seems to involve some server-side rendering (and it looks like JS is still required). I'm also really curious how heavy React/Vue/etc are compared to the original gmail implementation back in 2004 (only of the oldest major javascript/ajax applications that minimized page refreshes).