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I remember when the PS3 and Xbox360 had just come out, and everyone was screaming from the rooftops about how PC gaming will just crash and burn. Not for a week

I remember when the PS3 and Xbox360 had just come out, and everyone was screaming from the rooftops about how PC gaming will just crash and burn. Not for a week or two, but for years after those boxes had been released. So you're saying PC gaming survived that sustained direct threat only to be wiped out by cryptocurrency mining that isn't even concerned with gaming? This is a silly exaggeration. In the long term, if the crypto market collapses the prices will come back to normal. If it thrives instead, the GPU manufacturers will probably scale up their production lines to meet demand. Or maybe a miracle will happen and we'll see some really good GPU manufacturers pop up who'll make the market more competitive.

freeflight 9y ago
> I remember when the PS3 and Xbox360 had just come out, and everyone was screaming from the rooftops about how PC gaming will just crash and burn. Not for a week or two, but for years after those boxes had been released. This still lead to the situation that, for years, AAA publishers wouldn't touch the PC gaming market with a ten-foot pole and focused pretty much all of their efforts on the 7. console generation, this was additionally compounded by the "piracy factor". During that time PC gaming pretty much only had MMORPG's (which made the big bucks due to subscription-based payment), some RTS and a couple of rare exceptions in the FPS genre going for it while Steam was still busy establishing itself and the indie scene was nowhere to be found yet. It was a rather boring time to be a PC gamer as you'd miss out on many of the interesting and unique releases due to them being only released on consoles.
- Fnoord 9y ago
  PC as in Windows, or Linux/Mac? Big titles like Quake and Unreal were available on PC (meaning x86-32 plus Windows or x86-64 plus Windows in my post though things like Wine have been amazing for me). There's always been an ample amount of games available on PC. Whether they were boring or not is a matter of opinion (I wouldn't say missing out on say Resident Evil is any issue). I am entirely positive all these games had recent equivalents in their genres. I said recent because else the comparison is too broad. Even Rez is just a newer version of Space Harrier, or compare first Doom or Quake VS last. Also, some game vendors sign exclusive deals with a console vendor where they initially only release the game for that specific console. Then you have to buy the console, or wait. So yeah curious what you felt you were missing out on. Personally, I don't like consoles because I got nothing with this whole Trusted Computing thing. Instead I got a Steam Link for 5 EUR during Black Friday.
  - freeflight 9y ago
    > PC as in Windows, or Linux/Mac? Big titles like Quake and Unreal were available on PC (meaning x86-32 plus Windows or x86-64 plus Windows in my post though things like Wine have been amazing for me). Counter-Strike was way more relevant at that point, but that doesn't change the basic fact that pretty much all the major publishers gave little to no attention to the PC sector during that time. Case in point: While Halo 1 and 2 still had Windows ports, the following Halo games didn't get them, same situation with Gears of War, first game got a Windows port, none after that until recently. > Whether they were boring or not is a matter of opinion (I wouldn't say missing out on say Resident Evil is any issue). That's a matter of personal taste and preferences. Personally, I really enjoyed RE1+2 on my Playstation back then (Just like Metal Gear Solid) which was also my last console before gaming exclusively on PC, skipping the whole sixth console generation, which already led to a bit of a backlog due to many interesting GameCube/PS2 titles. Wasn't until late in the seventh generation (Xbox360/PS3) that I got back into console gaming, mainly due to the lack of certain genres on PC (Third Person games/backlog of exclusives) and the consoles/games gotten more affordable at that point. If it wasn't for my interest in MMORPG/RTS/western RPG games I'm not sure I could have held out that long back then, as I also enjoy the occasional JRPG/Arcade Racing Game/Third Person Shooter, which had been rare to non-existent on PC back then. > Personally, I don't like consoles because I got nothing with this whole Trusted Computing thing. Instead I got a Steam Link for 5 EUR during Black Friday. There's something to be said for getting tons of games very cheaply from a still functioning second-hand market. Getting a cheap used PS2+tons of games or a Wii+tons of GameCube games offered a lot of game for very little money. Steam had a phase where this worked somewhat well too, but it feels like over these past few years good deals have mostly been replaced by tons of shovelware 99 cent games for card collections or having to wait for Summer/Winter sale events.
jakebasile 9y ago
> So you're saying PC gaming survived that sustained direct threat only to be wiped out by cryptocurrency mining that isn't even concerned with gaming? Once bitten, twice shy. I remember the dark time you're referring to. I don't think they've actively contributed to it but I can't help but think that MS and Sony must be seeing this as an opportunity to "twist the knife" some, bring back the good old days of the 7th generation. I admit that in reality my fears will probably never come to fruition but that doesn't change the way I feel about the current situation.

freeflight 9y ago

> I remember when the PS3 and Xbox360 had just come out, and everyone was screaming from the rooftops about how PC gaming will just crash and burn. Not for a week or two, but for years after those boxes had been released. This still lead to the situation that, for years, AAA publishers wouldn't touch the PC gaming market with a ten-foot pole and focused pretty much all of their efforts on the 7. console generation, this was additionally compounded by the "piracy factor". During that time PC gaming pretty much only had MMORPG's (which made the big bucks due to subscription-based payment), some RTS and a couple of rare exceptions in the FPS genre going for it while Steam was still busy establishing itself and the indie scene was nowhere to be found yet. It was a rather boring time to be a PC gamer as you'd miss out on many of the interesting and unique releases due to them being only released on consoles.

Fnoord 9y ago
PC as in Windows, or Linux/Mac? Big titles like Quake and Unreal were available on PC (meaning x86-32 plus Windows or x86-64 plus Windows in my post though things like Wine have been amazing for me). There's always been an ample amount of games available on PC. Whether they were boring or not is a matter of opinion (I wouldn't say missing out on say Resident Evil is any issue). I am entirely positive all these games had recent equivalents in their genres. I said recent because else the comparison is too broad. Even Rez is just a newer version of Space Harrier, or compare first Doom or Quake VS last. Also, some game vendors sign exclusive deals with a console vendor where they initially only release the game for that specific console. Then you have to buy the console, or wait. So yeah curious what you felt you were missing out on. Personally, I don't like consoles because I got nothing with this whole Trusted Computing thing. Instead I got a Steam Link for 5 EUR during Black Friday.
- freeflight 9y ago
  > PC as in Windows, or Linux/Mac? Big titles like Quake and Unreal were available on PC (meaning x86-32 plus Windows or x86-64 plus Windows in my post though things like Wine have been amazing for me). Counter-Strike was way more relevant at that point, but that doesn't change the basic fact that pretty much all the major publishers gave little to no attention to the PC sector during that time. Case in point: While Halo 1 and 2 still had Windows ports, the following Halo games didn't get them, same situation with Gears of War, first game got a Windows port, none after that until recently. > Whether they were boring or not is a matter of opinion (I wouldn't say missing out on say Resident Evil is any issue). That's a matter of personal taste and preferences. Personally, I really enjoyed RE1+2 on my Playstation back then (Just like Metal Gear Solid) which was also my last console before gaming exclusively on PC, skipping the whole sixth console generation, which already led to a bit of a backlog due to many interesting GameCube/PS2 titles. Wasn't until late in the seventh generation (Xbox360/PS3) that I got back into console gaming, mainly due to the lack of certain genres on PC (Third Person games/backlog of exclusives) and the consoles/games gotten more affordable at that point. If it wasn't for my interest in MMORPG/RTS/western RPG games I'm not sure I could have held out that long back then, as I also enjoy the occasional JRPG/Arcade Racing Game/Third Person Shooter, which had been rare to non-existent on PC back then. > Personally, I don't like consoles because I got nothing with this whole Trusted Computing thing. Instead I got a Steam Link for 5 EUR during Black Friday. There's something to be said for getting tons of games very cheaply from a still functioning second-hand market. Getting a cheap used PS2+tons of games or a Wii+tons of GameCube games offered a lot of game for very little money. Steam had a phase where this worked somewhat well too, but it feels like over these past few years good deals have mostly been replaced by tons of shovelware 99 cent games for card collections or having to wait for Summer/Winter sale events.

jakebasile 9y ago

> So you're saying PC gaming survived that sustained direct threat only to be wiped out by cryptocurrency mining that isn't even concerned with gaming? Once bitten, twice shy. I remember the dark time you're referring to. I don't think they've actively contributed to it but I can't help but think that MS and Sony must be seeing this as an opportunity to "twist the knife" some, bring back the good old days of the 7th generation. I admit that in reality my fears will probably never come to fruition but that doesn't change the way I feel about the current situation.