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Sorry, but this is childish thinking.This won't make a damn difference because so many other people will continue to buy. Same shit with the iPhone X. There are

Sorry, but this is childish thinking.This won't make a damn difference because so many other people will continue to buy. Same shit with the iPhone X. There are enough suckers that will buy it that Apple will continue to charge an ultra premium. And on top of it, you buy a car for a variety of reasons. For example, BMW has better handling, style, etc... Some people just don't want a mercedes or audi. You can't convince enough people to jump ship and BMW will never think its because of the airplay thing anyways.

madeofpalk 9y ago
> Same shit with the iPhone X. There are enough suckers Are you calling me a sucker for exercising critical thinking when I purchased my iPhone X? Just because I like something that you don't like doesnt make me a 'sucker'.
- dietr1ch 9y ago
  "That's exactly what a sucker would say"
- timbo1642 9y ago
  You're telling Apple that its okay to rip users off like yourself. No reason why that phone should cost that much.
  - seanp2k2 9y ago
    The Samsung Galaxy Note 8 is $960 if purchased outright through Verizon (64GB version): https://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-note-8/ https://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-n... 2017 flagship phones are expensive because of R&D, manufacturing, and profit margins. Samsung and Apple both roll some of their own silicon (Exynos + A-series). The iPhone X has a Samsung display, and I'm sure that they give them as bad of a deal as they can get away with, since they're their direct competitor. Though https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20171108005056/en/iPhone-Costs-Apple-370-Materials-IHS-Markit https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20171108005056/en/iPh... puts the cost of the CPU at $27.50 , consider the R&D that was required to get to that part and that part cost, and the operating system, which receives continual updates for years after the device is released, which has hundreds of people working on it at Apple. The LEGO 75192 Millennium Falcon is $800 retail and sold out everywhere. It's just plastic blocks to some people. The reason it costs so much is because that's how much it costs to design, develop , manufacture, distribute, market, sell (Apple owns a ton of retail locations + employs many salespeople + support people that you usually get free access to), and support the hardware and software while maintaining ~20% net profit margins ( https://www.stock-analysis-on.net/NASDAQ/Company/Apple-Inc/Ratios/Profitability https://www.stock-analysis-on.net/NASDAQ/Company/Apple-Inc/R... ). The fact that it exists at $1000 is impressive to me given how Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, HTC, etc bear much less of the cost of OS development + support. http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/02/android-versus-ios-software-updates-revisited-two-years-later/ http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/02/android-versus-ios-s... shows where some of the extra cost of an Apple device goes.
    - dannyw 9y ago
      Your points are valid but they seem to imply iPhones are priced using cost-based pricing. That is obviously not true - these phones are priced using value-based pricing, which succinctly is simply “the highest you can charge based on the value the customer gets”.
  - madeofpalk 9y ago
    I'm not being ripped off. I looked at the phone, assessed how much I value it, and determined I can afford it.
    - brokenmachine 9y ago
      Just because you can afford it doesn't mean you're not getting ripped off... I don't care what phone you want to buy though. Personally I use my phone so often that I pretty much don't care at all how much it costs because any price is cheap on a $/use basis. I dislike other things about iphones though so it's more of a moral issue for me avoiding Apple.
walterbell 9y ago
Actually the iPhone X is selling so poorly that Apple has not only cut production, they are rumored to be dropping it entirely this year. The technologies in the iPhone X will apparently be distributed across three new iPhone models.
- rhencke 9y ago
  Do you have a source you can provide for this?
  - walterbell 9y ago
    Ming-Chi Kuo at KGI Securities http://www.valuewalk.com/2018/01/iphone-11-release-date-kgi/ http://www.valuewalk.com/2018/01/iphone-11-release-date-kgi/ https://www.yahoo.com/news/iphone-x-may-discontinued-next-favor-larger-form-225444081.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/iphone-x-may-discontinued-next-fa...
    - rhencke 9y ago
      Thank you. :)
  - kemayo 9y ago
    I think they're referencing this analyst-claim: https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/19/kgi-lowers-iphone-x-sales-estimates-reiterates-6-1-inch-lcd-iphone-coming-in-fall/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/19/kgi-lowers-iphone-x-sales-est... I tend to be skeptical of such analysts, though. Not that the ultimate claim of "the iPhone X's advances and form-factor are going to be moved into all the other models" is terribly controversial -- that's pretty literally what Apple said would happen. Just that it's a person guessing, and such things have been fairly spectacularly wrong in the past.
- jbigelow76 9y ago
  So are they dropping “it”, by which I assume you mean the FaceId tech, or are they rolling it out to the other phones that Apple sells? Your statement contradicts itself.
jimmywanger 9y ago
> There are enough suckers that will buy it that Apple will continue to charge an ultra premium. and > For example, BMW has better handling, style, etc... Sounds like BMW is trying to extract maximum value for a brand and reputation it took them decades to garner. Where is the childish thinking again? If the fee is worth all these other things, people will pay. As well they should.
- timbo1642 9y ago
  The childish thinking is about thinking if a few people don't buy the company will stop doing what they are doing.
  - jimmywanger 9y ago
    Every time I see a restaurant with a line I think of the Nash equilibrium. If there's a line, your prices are too low. Period. If people line up to buy BMWs, the price for BMWs are too low, and they (BMW) should soak people for however much they can. What part of that is childish? If many people stop buying BMWs, they're gonna have to adjust prices or cut component costs.

madeofpalk 9y ago

> Same shit with the iPhone X. There are enough suckers Are you calling me a sucker for exercising critical thinking when I purchased my iPhone X? Just because I like something that you don't like doesnt make me a 'sucker'.

dietr1ch 9y ago
"That's exactly what a sucker would say"
timbo1642 9y ago
You're telling Apple that its okay to rip users off like yourself. No reason why that phone should cost that much.
- seanp2k2 9y ago
  The Samsung Galaxy Note 8 is $960 if purchased outright through Verizon (64GB version): https://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-note-8/ https://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/samsung-galaxy-n... 2017 flagship phones are expensive because of R&D, manufacturing, and profit margins. Samsung and Apple both roll some of their own silicon (Exynos + A-series). The iPhone X has a Samsung display, and I'm sure that they give them as bad of a deal as they can get away with, since they're their direct competitor. Though https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20171108005056/en/iPhone-Costs-Apple-370-Materials-IHS-Markit https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20171108005056/en/iPh... puts the cost of the CPU at $27.50 , consider the R&D that was required to get to that part and that part cost, and the operating system, which receives continual updates for years after the device is released, which has hundreds of people working on it at Apple. The LEGO 75192 Millennium Falcon is $800 retail and sold out everywhere. It's just plastic blocks to some people. The reason it costs so much is because that's how much it costs to design, develop , manufacture, distribute, market, sell (Apple owns a ton of retail locations + employs many salespeople + support people that you usually get free access to), and support the hardware and software while maintaining ~20% net profit margins ( https://www.stock-analysis-on.net/NASDAQ/Company/Apple-Inc/Ratios/Profitability https://www.stock-analysis-on.net/NASDAQ/Company/Apple-Inc/R... ). The fact that it exists at $1000 is impressive to me given how Samsung, LG, Sony, Motorola, HTC, etc bear much less of the cost of OS development + support. http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/02/android-versus-ios-software-updates-revisited-two-years-later/ http://www.androidpolice.com/2017/11/02/android-versus-ios-s... shows where some of the extra cost of an Apple device goes.
  - dannyw 9y ago
    Your points are valid but they seem to imply iPhones are priced using cost-based pricing. That is obviously not true - these phones are priced using value-based pricing, which succinctly is simply “the highest you can charge based on the value the customer gets”.
- madeofpalk 9y ago
  I'm not being ripped off. I looked at the phone, assessed how much I value it, and determined I can afford it.
  - brokenmachine 9y ago
    Just because you can afford it doesn't mean you're not getting ripped off... I don't care what phone you want to buy though. Personally I use my phone so often that I pretty much don't care at all how much it costs because any price is cheap on a $/use basis. I dislike other things about iphones though so it's more of a moral issue for me avoiding Apple.

walterbell 9y ago

Actually the iPhone X is selling so poorly that Apple has not only cut production, they are rumored to be dropping it entirely this year. The technologies in the iPhone X will apparently be distributed across three new iPhone models.

rhencke 9y ago
Do you have a source you can provide for this?
- walterbell 9y ago
  Ming-Chi Kuo at KGI Securities http://www.valuewalk.com/2018/01/iphone-11-release-date-kgi/ http://www.valuewalk.com/2018/01/iphone-11-release-date-kgi/ https://www.yahoo.com/news/iphone-x-may-discontinued-next-favor-larger-form-225444081.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/iphone-x-may-discontinued-next-fa...
  - rhencke 9y ago
    Thank you. :)
- kemayo 9y ago
  I think they're referencing this analyst-claim: https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/19/kgi-lowers-iphone-x-sales-estimates-reiterates-6-1-inch-lcd-iphone-coming-in-fall/ https://9to5mac.com/2018/01/19/kgi-lowers-iphone-x-sales-est... I tend to be skeptical of such analysts, though. Not that the ultimate claim of "the iPhone X's advances and form-factor are going to be moved into all the other models" is terribly controversial -- that's pretty literally what Apple said would happen. Just that it's a person guessing, and such things have been fairly spectacularly wrong in the past.
jbigelow76 9y ago
So are they dropping “it”, by which I assume you mean the FaceId tech, or are they rolling it out to the other phones that Apple sells? Your statement contradicts itself.

jimmywanger 9y ago

> There are enough suckers that will buy it that Apple will continue to charge an ultra premium. and > For example, BMW has better handling, style, etc... Sounds like BMW is trying to extract maximum value for a brand and reputation it took them decades to garner. Where is the childish thinking again? If the fee is worth all these other things, people will pay. As well they should.

timbo1642 9y ago
The childish thinking is about thinking if a few people don't buy the company will stop doing what they are doing.
- jimmywanger 9y ago
  Every time I see a restaurant with a line I think of the Nash equilibrium. If there's a line, your prices are too low. Period. If people line up to buy BMWs, the price for BMWs are too low, and they (BMW) should soak people for however much they can. What part of that is childish? If many people stop buying BMWs, they're gonna have to adjust prices or cut component costs.