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My brother in law drifts in and out of homelessness and maintains about a pack a day habit. He collects SSI, and has some meager savings from when he was workin

My brother in law drifts in and out of homelessness and maintains about a pack a day habit. He collects SSI, and has some meager savings from when he was working last summer, and most of that money goes to cigarettes, fast food, and whatever else he self-medicates with. I've never asked him but I wouldn't be surprised if he got them off of the black market, considering that he frequents places like Skid Row and the sprawling tent city in north Orange County. Another anecdote, I recall that when I was in the military I actually met a guy who would buy cartons on base and sell the packs off base (they were tax free on base). He was in to all sorts of fringe black market style activities like this. He was also a bootlegger. He hawked his shit at swap meets. This guy was active duty, an E5 with what looked to be a healthy start to a career focused on his service. I learned after I had separated that he had been caught up in an investigation and was court martialed. I also heard from my brother, who was also in the service, that a handful of active duty guys in his own unit in upstate NY would cross in to Canada to buy cartons to smuggle back across the border to sell in the US. This would've been in the late 80s or early 90s. I guess my point is, if there's a market for this sort of activity then there is safe money in betting that it's happening some how. And it attributes itself well to the notion that people without a whole lot of money are able to engage in what looks like a very expensive habit to many of us.

sergers 9y ago
I am not from Greece, so can't comment, but I agree with you and bet it's happening. Definitely has been happening here as long as I can remember. People pickup cartons coming back from US trips and resell them,, you can get it at less than half price locally. Cartons can be had for 30-40$ usd at duty free. I have coworkers who travel 90%, they always bring back cartons and charge $20 markup. Bringing cartons across from another province as they have less taxes. Buying from the "native reserves" as it's tax free. Buy from Asian convenience store, cause they are importing illegally at a lower cost. Heck, not sure how easy u can pass customs nowadays, but you could buy cartons online from europe 5-10 years ago with ease illegally. There's many options. Smoking is a convenient crutch for people addicted, it's crazy that something that can make you feel like shit, but can also temporarily make you feel better. (Mindset of a smoker... I could chain smoke, feel like crap. My next thought is, maybe I should have another one). If anyone wants to quit, I suggest the following as mandatory Reading: Alan Carr: easy way quit smoking (many iterations on title). This is a magnificent book that has helped many people I know, including myself. Helps you understand the addiction, the hold it has over you (which is mostlt mental), and helps put you in the right mind frame to quit.
- scruple 9y ago
  Believe me, I know. I had a pack a day habit for nearly a decade. It's horrible and I'm very glad that I got free from it. When I first started smoking, I didn't care how shitty it made me feel. Over time, I wanted to quit but was in the thick of it. In the end, I quit because I met my then-girlfriend now-wife and she wasn't having it. I appreciate the book recommendation, I'll be sure to keep it in the back of my mind if it ever comes up with friends/family/coworkers/whatever.

sergers 9y ago

I am not from Greece, so can't comment, but I agree with you and bet it's happening. Definitely has been happening here as long as I can remember. People pickup cartons coming back from US trips and resell them,, you can get it at less than half price locally. Cartons can be had for 30-40$ usd at duty free. I have coworkers who travel 90%, they always bring back cartons and charge $20 markup. Bringing cartons across from another province as they have less taxes. Buying from the "native reserves" as it's tax free. Buy from Asian convenience store, cause they are importing illegally at a lower cost. Heck, not sure how easy u can pass customs nowadays, but you could buy cartons online from europe 5-10 years ago with ease illegally. There's many options. Smoking is a convenient crutch for people addicted, it's crazy that something that can make you feel like shit, but can also temporarily make you feel better. (Mindset of a smoker... I could chain smoke, feel like crap. My next thought is, maybe I should have another one). If anyone wants to quit, I suggest the following as mandatory Reading: Alan Carr: easy way quit smoking (many iterations on title). This is a magnificent book that has helped many people I know, including myself. Helps you understand the addiction, the hold it has over you (which is mostlt mental), and helps put you in the right mind frame to quit.

scruple 9y ago
Believe me, I know. I had a pack a day habit for nearly a decade. It's horrible and I'm very glad that I got free from it. When I first started smoking, I didn't care how shitty it made me feel. Over time, I wanted to quit but was in the thick of it. In the end, I quit because I met my then-girlfriend now-wife and she wasn't having it. I appreciate the book recommendation, I'll be sure to keep it in the back of my mind if it ever comes up with friends/family/coworkers/whatever.