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There's something pretty rich about asking the government to intervene in a project described as: Tezos is a new decentralized blockchain that governs itself b

There's something pretty rich about asking the government to intervene in a project described as: Tezos is a new decentralized blockchain that governs itself by establishing a true digital commonwealth. Especially one that, according to your links at least, has been defrauded by its radical libertarian and Ayn Rand acolyte leader. Is this not the free market merely deciding that the people who donated have poor judgement?

superquest 9y ago
> a true digital commonwealth. That is hysterical.
stale2002 9y ago
You have interpreted libertarian philosophy incorrectly. Libertarians are absolutely in favor of using court systems to sue people for fraud. The belief in contract enforcement, and stopping fraud is a defining feature of libertarians.
- jnbiche 9y ago
  For some reason you're getting downvoted, but clearly people have some misconceptions about libertarianism, perhaps confusing it with anarcho-capitalism. I'd agree that contract enforcement (including to combat fraud) along with the non-aggression principle, are the primary defining principles of libertarianism, regardless of the particular school or wing of libertarianism in discussion.
  - X86BSD 9y ago
    They do. He is exactly right, Libertarians believe in STRONG property rights. Which are the foundation of all rights. I have come to realize the left is ignorant to the extreme. On guns, immigration, law, libertarian philosophy. It always comes down to those who understand the issue and arguing with the left who is uninformed.
  - em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
    Even anarcho capitalists may support a p2p court system to combat fraud. Anarcho-Capitalism does not mean lawlessness and chaos.
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hal9000xp 9y ago
Sounds like your left-wing bias assumes that libertarians and Ayn Rand supporters are inherently fraudulent and looking for any opportunity to steal money. Gevers is fake libertarian, he is con-man who just made fake organizations to make visibility of high reputation. There is absolutely nothing from libertarianism or Ayn Rand philosophy in his actions. In fact, Ayn Rand is Atlas Shrugged specifically mention about fraudulent people. I see your sarcasm about: > Tezos is a new decentralized blockchain that governs itself by establishing a true digital commonwealth. They didn't launch project yet. Once they launch project, it will be exactly like that and it doesn't matter what's happen with foundation. But for now, the foundation cut off any funding of the project in critical development stage. Yes, contributors are responsible to do their due diligence. About asking government to intervene in order to remove Gevers. In some sense, it's government (more precisely the swiss law) who protect Gevers position.
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- coldtea 9y ago
  >Sounds like your left-wing bias assumes that libertarians and Ayn Rand supporters are inherently fraudulent and looking for any opportunity to steal money. No, parent only assumes that libertarians/Ayn Rand supporters shouldn't go to the government to cry. >Gevers is fake libertarian, he is con-man who just made fake organizations to make visibility of high reputation. There is absolutely nothing from libertarianism or Ayn Rand philosophy in his actions. Seems to me like a good case of a self-made man who saw an opportunity and took it, lesser mortals and common good be damned. What's more Ayn Randish?
  - roenxi 9y ago
    Ayn Rand was very much about following through with commitments. If Gevers has a long track record of failed ventures because he aimed higher than he was capable of achieving then he is indeed a self-made man who saw an opportunity and took it in the fine Randian style. If he is a con-man who said he is going to do something then took the money and ran without putting in a serious effort, he isn't an example of her philosophy. Rand accepted people being selfish because in practice selfishness has been proven no barrier to creating prosperity for everyone. She didn't accept dishonesty.
Trundle 9y ago
Libertarians are not anarchists. Otherwise you'd just be talking about anarchists...
- wavefunction 9y ago
  And yet we find ourselves talking about Libertarians while discussing anarchies ;)
- EGreg 9y ago
  May libertarians ARE anarchists. Anarcho-capitalists also call themselves libertarians and voluntarists. Free Talk Live, the most popular libertarian radio station has hosts that are nearly all AnCaps who care about the NAP more than outcomes, and so forth. And in a libertarian Utopia, it is truly Caveat Emptor - let the buyer beware! Personal responsibility, no nanny governments!
  - em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
    Even in libertopia, there may be independent voluntary consumer protection organizations (not funded or enforced by the state) which sellers and buyers might associate with or otherwise utilize to ensure positive trades.
  - TheCoelacanth 9y ago
    Anarcho-capitalists aren't anarchists. It is self contradictory to have a society that is controlled by capital owners (capitalism) and one that is controlled by no one (anarchism).

superquest 9y ago

> a true digital commonwealth. That is hysterical.

stale2002 9y ago

You have interpreted libertarian philosophy incorrectly. Libertarians are absolutely in favor of using court systems to sue people for fraud. The belief in contract enforcement, and stopping fraud is a defining feature of libertarians.

jnbiche 9y ago
For some reason you're getting downvoted, but clearly people have some misconceptions about libertarianism, perhaps confusing it with anarcho-capitalism. I'd agree that contract enforcement (including to combat fraud) along with the non-aggression principle, are the primary defining principles of libertarianism, regardless of the particular school or wing of libertarianism in discussion.
- X86BSD 9y ago
  They do. He is exactly right, Libertarians believe in STRONG property rights. Which are the foundation of all rights. I have come to realize the left is ignorant to the extreme. On guns, immigration, law, libertarian philosophy. It always comes down to those who understand the issue and arguing with the left who is uninformed.
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  Even anarcho capitalists may support a p2p court system to combat fraud. Anarcho-Capitalism does not mean lawlessness and chaos.
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hal9000xp 9y ago

Sounds like your left-wing bias assumes that libertarians and Ayn Rand supporters are inherently fraudulent and looking for any opportunity to steal money. Gevers is fake libertarian, he is con-man who just made fake organizations to make visibility of high reputation. There is absolutely nothing from libertarianism or Ayn Rand philosophy in his actions. In fact, Ayn Rand is Atlas Shrugged specifically mention about fraudulent people. I see your sarcasm about: > Tezos is a new decentralized blockchain that governs itself by establishing a true digital commonwealth. They didn't launch project yet. Once they launch project, it will be exactly like that and it doesn't matter what's happen with foundation. But for now, the foundation cut off any funding of the project in critical development stage. Yes, contributors are responsible to do their due diligence. About asking government to intervene in order to remove Gevers. In some sense, it's government (more precisely the swiss law) who protect Gevers position.

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coldtea 9y ago
>Sounds like your left-wing bias assumes that libertarians and Ayn Rand supporters are inherently fraudulent and looking for any opportunity to steal money. No, parent only assumes that libertarians/Ayn Rand supporters shouldn't go to the government to cry. >Gevers is fake libertarian, he is con-man who just made fake organizations to make visibility of high reputation. There is absolutely nothing from libertarianism or Ayn Rand philosophy in his actions. Seems to me like a good case of a self-made man who saw an opportunity and took it, lesser mortals and common good be damned. What's more Ayn Randish?
- roenxi 9y ago
  Ayn Rand was very much about following through with commitments. If Gevers has a long track record of failed ventures because he aimed higher than he was capable of achieving then he is indeed a self-made man who saw an opportunity and took it in the fine Randian style. If he is a con-man who said he is going to do something then took the money and ran without putting in a serious effort, he isn't an example of her philosophy. Rand accepted people being selfish because in practice selfishness has been proven no barrier to creating prosperity for everyone. She didn't accept dishonesty.

Trundle 9y ago

Libertarians are not anarchists. Otherwise you'd just be talking about anarchists...

wavefunction 9y ago
And yet we find ourselves talking about Libertarians while discussing anarchies ;)
EGreg 9y ago
May libertarians ARE anarchists. Anarcho-capitalists also call themselves libertarians and voluntarists. Free Talk Live, the most popular libertarian radio station has hosts that are nearly all AnCaps who care about the NAP more than outcomes, and so forth. And in a libertarian Utopia, it is truly Caveat Emptor - let the buyer beware! Personal responsibility, no nanny governments!
- em3rgent0rdr 9y ago
  Even in libertopia, there may be independent voluntary consumer protection organizations (not funded or enforced by the state) which sellers and buyers might associate with or otherwise utilize to ensure positive trades.
- TheCoelacanth 9y ago
  Anarcho-capitalists aren't anarchists. It is self contradictory to have a society that is controlled by capital owners (capitalism) and one that is controlled by no one (anarchism).