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He doesn't have to work there. Why not leave?

by machiaweliczny 9y ago

asdjasldkjkljd 9y ago
I think you're overestimating the mobility of someone who's willing to take a job for 18k a year.
slater 9y ago
A stunningly ignorant reply.
- bcit-cst 9y ago
  "Let them eat cake ?"
  - fullshark 9y ago
    “Why doesn’t he learn to code?”
- albertgoeswoof 9y ago
  But he really doesn’t have to work there. He lives with his parents and doesn’t spend any of the money he earns anyway.
  - deleted 9y ago
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  - specializeded 9y ago
    You all really need to learn to read the article before spewing your shite eveywhere, there is literally an entire paragraph dedicated to why.
    - albertgoeswoof 9y ago
      I read the article, he’s claiming he’s stuck because he won’t get JSA if he leaves. But he has no outgoings, no costs or anything. He’s saving 1k every month! So he can quit anytime he likes, and do anything he wants
      - jotm 9y ago
        If he can't find a new job now, why would you think he's going to find one if he quits? The smart approach is to look for a new job while working at your current one. And he can't find one! Otherwise, he'll end up spending those savings just living and looking for a job, and the government won't pay him any benefits because he quit of his own volition. Now sure, he can learn a new trade in his free time, but the reality is that most people don't realize that's an option (they think they need to get a few years of college or something), can't learn anything useful, or they're too tired to do anything after a hard day at work.
pkaye 9y ago
He explains it in the last paragraph... >I applied for the job through the jobcentre. I’ve thought about quitting, but I can’t leave of my own accord. If I did, I’d be sanctioned by the jobcentre and lose my entitlement for benefits and support for six months. I don’t have much choice but to carry on working there. Unless I can find a new job, I’m locked into place.
- zaroth 9y ago
  He needs to keep working there just until he finds something better. If his Amazon shift is the best he can find, I’m glad it’s available to him. With no job opportunity he would also lose his government benefits. Amazon is providing a huge service to offer jobs with such a low entry requirement. The alternative is not a better job — as he says, there isn’t one or he would leave and take it in a millisecond. The options are Amazon job and government benefits or no job and no benefits.
  - andrepd 9y ago
    What an appalling reasoning. You realize you could replace 'worker' with 'serf' and 'Amazon' with 'feudal lord' in that post and it would be a shining defence of feudalism?
    - terminal_city 9y ago
      Nonsense. The kid works 4 days a week for good pay for the jobs performed. He admits to banking 650 a month, with only 250 in non-work related expenses. He works three months, he can quit, and have enough cash on hand to support at least 6 months of job search... and then the dole will kick in. The catch? He actually has to want to do it. How is this like serfdom?
  - corin_ 9y ago
    He couldn’t get unemployment benefits if he chooses to leave a job, but if this job didn’t exist then he could, so it’s very misleading to suggest that if Amazon hadn’t provided this job he would have “no job and no benefits”. (I do think that the unemployment benefits system is shitty here in the UK, I certainly wouldn’t enjoy having to rely on it, but that’s a separate topic.)
IkmoIkmo 9y ago
Finding a job with no university degree in Southend is not as easy for him as you may think. More importantly, the job likely won't be much better than what he has. The point isn't so much that the job sucks and that he can find something else. For me the article says something about the very nature of many 21st century jobs at 'innovative' 21st century tech companies. I mean, the pay ain't that bad, it's quite similar to median daily wages in the US for example. The issue is that he's working with robots, doesn't talk to people or even his parents, is unable to keep up a social life, sleeps during his off-time and is basically miserable. Now what do you think happens when he leaves that job? Someone else will take his place. Maybe at a marginally higher rate, if enough people are reluctant to take the job. But inherently, that's not a job we should be having in one of the richest countries on the planet. There's no issue with menial labour, but we surely must be able to design our work/life balance better than for people to lose interaction with other human beings, losing passion for their hobbies, sleeping their time on this earth away when they're not working like a robot.
- zaroth 9y ago
  There’s other job that this guy (and many others like him) are qualified for. I’d rather he shuffle boxes than just get UBI and contribute nothing. Ideally he would shuffle boxes the mandatory minimum work hours required to keep his government benefits and spend an additional 40 hours a work studying & training for something better paying. Career advancement isn’t going to be handed to you on a fucking silver platter. This guy has a good life and works is fairly safe and low stress conditions, is paid fairly, and isn’t trying terribly hard to become better. What else was I supposed to take away from the article?
- guskel 9y ago
  >The issue is that he's working with robots, doesn't talk to people or even his parents, is unable to keep up a social life, sleeps during his off-time and is basically miserable. hmmm why does this sound familiar.
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He doesn't have to work there. Why not leave?

asdjasldkjkljd 9y ago

I think you're overestimating the mobility of someone who's willing to take a job for 18k a year.

slater 9y ago

A stunningly ignorant reply.

bcit-cst 9y ago
"Let them eat cake ?"
- fullshark 9y ago
  “Why doesn’t he learn to code?”
albertgoeswoof 9y ago
But he really doesn’t have to work there. He lives with his parents and doesn’t spend any of the money he earns anyway.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- specializeded 9y ago
  You all really need to learn to read the article before spewing your shite eveywhere, there is literally an entire paragraph dedicated to why.
  - albertgoeswoof 9y ago
    I read the article, he’s claiming he’s stuck because he won’t get JSA if he leaves. But he has no outgoings, no costs or anything. He’s saving 1k every month! So he can quit anytime he likes, and do anything he wants
    - jotm 9y ago
      If he can't find a new job now, why would you think he's going to find one if he quits? The smart approach is to look for a new job while working at your current one. And he can't find one! Otherwise, he'll end up spending those savings just living and looking for a job, and the government won't pay him any benefits because he quit of his own volition. Now sure, he can learn a new trade in his free time, but the reality is that most people don't realize that's an option (they think they need to get a few years of college or something), can't learn anything useful, or they're too tired to do anything after a hard day at work.

pkaye 9y ago

He explains it in the last paragraph... >I applied for the job through the jobcentre. I’ve thought about quitting, but I can’t leave of my own accord. If I did, I’d be sanctioned by the jobcentre and lose my entitlement for benefits and support for six months. I don’t have much choice but to carry on working there. Unless I can find a new job, I’m locked into place.

zaroth 9y ago
He needs to keep working there just until he finds something better. If his Amazon shift is the best he can find, I’m glad it’s available to him. With no job opportunity he would also lose his government benefits. Amazon is providing a huge service to offer jobs with such a low entry requirement. The alternative is not a better job — as he says, there isn’t one or he would leave and take it in a millisecond. The options are Amazon job and government benefits or no job and no benefits.
- andrepd 9y ago
  What an appalling reasoning. You realize you could replace 'worker' with 'serf' and 'Amazon' with 'feudal lord' in that post and it would be a shining defence of feudalism?
  - terminal_city 9y ago
    Nonsense. The kid works 4 days a week for good pay for the jobs performed. He admits to banking 650 a month, with only 250 in non-work related expenses. He works three months, he can quit, and have enough cash on hand to support at least 6 months of job search... and then the dole will kick in. The catch? He actually has to want to do it. How is this like serfdom?
- corin_ 9y ago
  He couldn’t get unemployment benefits if he chooses to leave a job, but if this job didn’t exist then he could, so it’s very misleading to suggest that if Amazon hadn’t provided this job he would have “no job and no benefits”. (I do think that the unemployment benefits system is shitty here in the UK, I certainly wouldn’t enjoy having to rely on it, but that’s a separate topic.)

IkmoIkmo 9y ago

Finding a job with no university degree in Southend is not as easy for him as you may think. More importantly, the job likely won't be much better than what he has. The point isn't so much that the job sucks and that he can find something else. For me the article says something about the very nature of many 21st century jobs at 'innovative' 21st century tech companies. I mean, the pay ain't that bad, it's quite similar to median daily wages in the US for example. The issue is that he's working with robots, doesn't talk to people or even his parents, is unable to keep up a social life, sleeps during his off-time and is basically miserable. Now what do you think happens when he leaves that job? Someone else will take his place. Maybe at a marginally higher rate, if enough people are reluctant to take the job. But inherently, that's not a job we should be having in one of the richest countries on the planet. There's no issue with menial labour, but we surely must be able to design our work/life balance better than for people to lose interaction with other human beings, losing passion for their hobbies, sleeping their time on this earth away when they're not working like a robot.

zaroth 9y ago
There’s other job that this guy (and many others like him) are qualified for. I’d rather he shuffle boxes than just get UBI and contribute nothing. Ideally he would shuffle boxes the mandatory minimum work hours required to keep his government benefits and spend an additional 40 hours a work studying & training for something better paying. Career advancement isn’t going to be handed to you on a fucking silver platter. This guy has a good life and works is fairly safe and low stress conditions, is paid fairly, and isn’t trying terribly hard to become better. What else was I supposed to take away from the article?
guskel 9y ago
>The issue is that he's working with robots, doesn't talk to people or even his parents, is unable to keep up a social life, sleeps during his off-time and is basically miserable. hmmm why does this sound familiar.

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