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What exactly bothers you here? How else would you refer to the processes that lead to forcing professionals at these universities to use dozens of novel non-bi

What exactly bothers you here? How else would you refer to the processes that lead to forcing professionals at these universities to use dozens of novel non-binary gender pronouns, or to shield students from content that may be considered "offensive" or "triggering"? If you don't think those things are in fact serious problems, then I guess you aren't "woke" to that side of the debate. The "campus left" has done everything to brand all dissenters (including Peterson) as fascists, racists and trans/homophobes. That's an even bigger problem, because it signals cult-like behavior. Maybe it's not bad at your particular university, maybe the examples in the media are not representative, but they are real.

Synaesthesia 9y ago
Is that really so oppressive though? I'm glad trans and other people are getting more respect.
- ghoststories 9y ago
  First of all, don't you know you should not otherize people? You better check your privilige! Sarcasm aside... they aren't getting more respect. You can't force people to respect anything. Here's what actually happens: People control their speech (but not their thoughts) around those "other" people for fear of social reprisal. They'll simply avoid socializing with those people for the rest of their lives. Will they hire a gay/trans/black/muslim person? What a minefield! Better find something in their CV that makes them "less qualified"... Few people will say these things openly, just like how fewer people would admit to voting for Trump. In the real world, Trump is still president.
  - gizmo 9y ago
    If an employer discriminates against gay/trans/black/Muslim job applicants because _other people_ did something they didn't like, then that employer is totally unreasonable. You can't blame anti-bigotry activists for that. This is the "anti-racists made me racist" argument. Non-racists don't turn into racists when their behavior is criticized. That's absurd.
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  - Synaesthesia 9y ago
    Maybe I don't read the news but I haven't heard of this, being forced to address people in certain terms etc.
archagon 9y ago
I think "examples in the media are not representative" is exactly it. I regularly hang out with grad students at UC Berkeley, which I suppose is the perceived center of American liberalism. As far as I can tell, nobody's apoplectic about that kind of stuff here. Yeah, sometimes people get angry when the university appropriates valuable funding to invite unpopular, rabble-rousing demagogues to speak against the wishes of the student body — but that level of public protest has always been present, here and on other campuses across the nation. And in any case, there's plenty of students grumbling about this kind of behavior whenever it happens. Somehow, the media spins "a small group of people wants a place to occasionally discuss very sensitive issues" to "SAFE SPACES HAVE TAKEN OVER AMERICAN CAMPUSES". I dunno, maybe there are one or two campuses that are especially bad in this regard. But I can't help but roll my eyes at this kind of conservative pearl-clutching.
bjourne 9y ago
The phrase "cultural marxism." You don't need to read much about Marxism to realize that it is a completely absurd oxymoron.

Synaesthesia 9y ago

Is that really so oppressive though? I'm glad trans and other people are getting more respect.

ghoststories 9y ago
First of all, don't you know you should not otherize people? You better check your privilige! Sarcasm aside... they aren't getting more respect. You can't force people to respect anything. Here's what actually happens: People control their speech (but not their thoughts) around those "other" people for fear of social reprisal. They'll simply avoid socializing with those people for the rest of their lives. Will they hire a gay/trans/black/muslim person? What a minefield! Better find something in their CV that makes them "less qualified"... Few people will say these things openly, just like how fewer people would admit to voting for Trump. In the real world, Trump is still president.
- gizmo 9y ago
  If an employer discriminates against gay/trans/black/Muslim job applicants because _other people_ did something they didn't like, then that employer is totally unreasonable. You can't blame anti-bigotry activists for that. This is the "anti-racists made me racist" argument. Non-racists don't turn into racists when their behavior is criticized. That's absurd.
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- Synaesthesia 9y ago
  Maybe I don't read the news but I haven't heard of this, being forced to address people in certain terms etc.

archagon 9y ago

I think "examples in the media are not representative" is exactly it. I regularly hang out with grad students at UC Berkeley, which I suppose is the perceived center of American liberalism. As far as I can tell, nobody's apoplectic about that kind of stuff here. Yeah, sometimes people get angry when the university appropriates valuable funding to invite unpopular, rabble-rousing demagogues to speak against the wishes of the student body — but that level of public protest has always been present, here and on other campuses across the nation. And in any case, there's plenty of students grumbling about this kind of behavior whenever it happens. Somehow, the media spins "a small group of people wants a place to occasionally discuss very sensitive issues" to "SAFE SPACES HAVE TAKEN OVER AMERICAN CAMPUSES". I dunno, maybe there are one or two campuses that are especially bad in this regard. But I can't help but roll my eyes at this kind of conservative pearl-clutching.

bjourne 9y ago

The phrase "cultural marxism." You don't need to read much about Marxism to realize that it is a completely absurd oxymoron.