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His regime was brutal against whistle-blowers. Look at Chelsea Manning. In his last few years as president, he did not exert much effort at all to shut down th

His regime was brutal against whistle-blowers. Look at Chelsea Manning. In his last few years as president, he did not exert much effort at all to shut down the NSA program, as he surely already mostly knew the extent of it and was fine with it. Obama does not care about doing the right thing here.

lern_too_spel 9y ago
> His regime was brutal against whistle-blowers. Look at Chelsea Manning. Walking free. After she blew the whistle on what, exactly? The heavily edited Collateral Murder video that conveniently left out the RPG[1]? What do the cable leaks have to do with that? > In his last few years as president, he did not exert much effort at all to shut down the NSA program. He shut down the email metadata collection program two years after taking office. [1]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2010/04/2007-iraq-apache-attack-as-seen-from-the-ground/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2010/04/2007-iraq... Edit: > I didn't say anything about cable leaks or what Manning leaked, that is a different conversation.... Nice strawmanning, though. You literally pointed to Manning as an example of how Obama was brutal to whistleblowers. I quoted you. I pointed out that the actions she took do not count as whistleblowing, and you appear to have conceded that point. > I'm implicitly referring to the NSA spying programs leaked by Snowden. How does that example show Obama's brutality to whistleblowers? Snowden is not a whistleblower, and Obama didn't treat him brutally. Out of the millions of documents that Snowden leaked, only phone metadata collection was found to be illegal. If you leak millions of documents from any government agency or any private company for that matter, you're bound to find at least one instance of illegal activity.
- kakarot 9y ago
  I didn't say anything about cable leaks or what Manning leaked, that is a different conversation. I am simply referring to the Obama administration's treatment of Manning, and Obama's cowardly attempts at saving grace by granting clemency right as he's leaving office, and shortly after Assange claimed he would turn himself in if Manning was granted clemency (Obviously Assange wasn't being for real and didn't) I'm implicitly referring to the NSA spying programs leaked by Snowden. That has nothing to do with the program you're talking about. Nice strawmanning, though.
  - nl 9y ago
    I didn't say anything about cable leaks or what Manning leaked, that is a different conversation. err... His regime was brutal against whistle-blowers. Look at Chelsea Manning. It's pretty hard to read that as anything except you using Manning as an example of a whistle-blower.
    - kakarot 9y ago
      I'm not talking about what Manning leaked, just that they were a leaker who the US government made an example of.
jonnybgood 9y ago
Chelsea Manning wasn’t a whistleblower. Leaking a ton of classified intel while having little clue of its contents isn’t whistleblowing.

lern_too_spel 9y ago

> His regime was brutal against whistle-blowers. Look at Chelsea Manning. Walking free. After she blew the whistle on what, exactly? The heavily edited Collateral Murder video that conveniently left out the RPG[1]? What do the cable leaks have to do with that? > In his last few years as president, he did not exert much effort at all to shut down the NSA program. He shut down the email metadata collection program two years after taking office. [1]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2010/04/2007-iraq-apache-attack-as-seen-from-the-ground/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wired.com/2010/04/2007-iraq... Edit: > I didn't say anything about cable leaks or what Manning leaked, that is a different conversation.... Nice strawmanning, though. You literally pointed to Manning as an example of how Obama was brutal to whistleblowers. I quoted you. I pointed out that the actions she took do not count as whistleblowing, and you appear to have conceded that point. > I'm implicitly referring to the NSA spying programs leaked by Snowden. How does that example show Obama's brutality to whistleblowers? Snowden is not a whistleblower, and Obama didn't treat him brutally. Out of the millions of documents that Snowden leaked, only phone metadata collection was found to be illegal. If you leak millions of documents from any government agency or any private company for that matter, you're bound to find at least one instance of illegal activity.

kakarot 9y ago
I didn't say anything about cable leaks or what Manning leaked, that is a different conversation. I am simply referring to the Obama administration's treatment of Manning, and Obama's cowardly attempts at saving grace by granting clemency right as he's leaving office, and shortly after Assange claimed he would turn himself in if Manning was granted clemency (Obviously Assange wasn't being for real and didn't) I'm implicitly referring to the NSA spying programs leaked by Snowden. That has nothing to do with the program you're talking about. Nice strawmanning, though.
- nl 9y ago
  I didn't say anything about cable leaks or what Manning leaked, that is a different conversation. err... His regime was brutal against whistle-blowers. Look at Chelsea Manning. It's pretty hard to read that as anything except you using Manning as an example of a whistle-blower.
  - kakarot 9y ago
    I'm not talking about what Manning leaked, just that they were a leaker who the US government made an example of.

jonnybgood 9y ago

Chelsea Manning wasn’t a whistleblower. Leaking a ton of classified intel while having little clue of its contents isn’t whistleblowing.