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Wow, I've been passively interested in getting a GoPro camera for a long time, but knowing their remote control requires a cloud service (I thought it was local

Wow, I've been passively interested in getting a GoPro camera for a long time, but knowing their remote control requires a cloud service (I thought it was local wifi) is a total dealbreaker. Same with Hue lights. It is absolutely ridiculous for the customer to be locked out of their own hardware.

y4mi 9y ago
Now I'm confused,I thought the hue lights and Ikea knockoffs are one of the few smart lights that don't need internet and they never leave the wlan? Most of the others are cloud enabled without a firmware upgrade, I'll give you that
- reitanqild 9y ago
  I agree. And I have the hue lights. I can't remember having to sign in to any online account to use it.
  - kitotik 9y ago
    You definitely do not need a user account to use your hue lights. IIRC, they create an ad hoc mesh network and don’t actually need WAN to operate.
- goldenkey 9y ago
  The hue lights work fine over a standardized LAN protocol. I control them with both Google Home and F.lux on my desktop.
AdamJacobMuller 9y ago
Try LIFX.
gridscomputing 9y ago
i control my gopro hero3+ (latest firmware) with my iphone 8 plus (running current ios beta and fully updated from app store). I don't know about nor do i use any cloud service from gopro. i just use a camera and configure it from my phone and it works fine.
eropple 9y ago
Hue lights do not require a cloud service. It is an optional way to control your lights from outside your local network (only the base station talks to the internet).
- sdoering 9y ago
  > only the base station talks to the internet Exactly any part talking to the internet is a deal breaker. Why would I need my home to have that amount of attack vectors open?
  - detaro 9y ago
    Again, it's optional. It does not have to talk to the internet, but the option is there for people that want features requiring it.
  - nasduia 9y ago
    To be fair to hue, the REST JSON API to the local hub is well documented by Philips and you can disable it contacting its cloud infrastructure via this API (and many apps) if you wish - all without hacks.
  - eropple 9y ago
    In your self-righteous rush, you neglected to consider whether or not the base station would function without being able to talk to the web. It does so.
- deleted 9y ago
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y4mi 9y ago

Now I'm confused,I thought the hue lights and Ikea knockoffs are one of the few smart lights that don't need internet and they never leave the wlan? Most of the others are cloud enabled without a firmware upgrade, I'll give you that

reitanqild 9y ago
I agree. And I have the hue lights. I can't remember having to sign in to any online account to use it.
- kitotik 9y ago
  You definitely do not need a user account to use your hue lights. IIRC, they create an ad hoc mesh network and don’t actually need WAN to operate.
goldenkey 9y ago
The hue lights work fine over a standardized LAN protocol. I control them with both Google Home and F.lux on my desktop.

AdamJacobMuller 9y ago

Try LIFX.

gridscomputing 9y ago

i control my gopro hero3+ (latest firmware) with my iphone 8 plus (running current ios beta and fully updated from app store). I don't know about nor do i use any cloud service from gopro. i just use a camera and configure it from my phone and it works fine.

eropple 9y ago

Hue lights do not require a cloud service. It is an optional way to control your lights from outside your local network (only the base station talks to the internet).

sdoering 9y ago
> only the base station talks to the internet Exactly any part talking to the internet is a deal breaker. Why would I need my home to have that amount of attack vectors open?
- detaro 9y ago
  Again, it's optional. It does not have to talk to the internet, but the option is there for people that want features requiring it.
- nasduia 9y ago
  To be fair to hue, the REST JSON API to the local hub is well documented by Philips and you can disable it contacting its cloud infrastructure via this API (and many apps) if you wish - all without hacks.
- eropple 9y ago
  In your self-righteous rush, you neglected to consider whether or not the base station would function without being able to talk to the web. It does so.
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