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It's very simple, really. You use what seems obvious, and if someone corrects you in one-on-one conversation, you finish the conversation doing the best you can

by beat 9y ago

It's very simple, really. You use what seems obvious, and if someone corrects you in one-on-one conversation, you finish the conversation doing the best you can to respect their wishes. And if you screw up, you apologize and self-correct. We're not talking about 200 students in this case. We're talking about one on one conversation with one person. That's when pronouns matter. Being unhappy about coercive regulation is an entirely separate issue from trying to do the decent and not terribly difficult thing. And using the coercion as justification for not doing it is, bluntly, an excuse. It's turning around and claiming yourself the victim of what you do to others.

jnbiche 9y ago
> We're not talking about 200 students in this case. We're talking about one on one conversation with one person. That's when pronouns matter. Professors never engage in one-on-one conversation with their students? And they never refer to their students in the third-person within the classroom? > And using the coercion as justification for not doing it is, bluntly, an excuse. It's turning around and claiming yourself the victim of what you do to others. I don't think Peterson sees himself as a victim, at all. I think he's alarmed and outraged that proscriptive laws governing his speech have been passed. And as an American who's pretty happy with our 1st amendment, I agree with him. I mean, forget for a moment that this is concerning transgender rights. If a country like Canada continues to outlaw certain ways of speaking, at what point would that concern you? Or would it ever?
- beat 9y ago
  I fail to see the distinction between "he's alarmed and outraged that proscriptive laws governing his speech have been passed", and seeing himself as a victim of oppression. But this distinction seems very important to some people, who object to my characterization of him as a self-styled victim of oppression. Just because he doesn't use the word "oppression" in that context doesn't mean it isn't his broad meaning. Coercion and oppression are more or less interchangeable.
erik_seaberg 9y ago
"You" is not gendered, only third-person pronouns are in English.

by beat 9y ago

jnbiche 9y ago

> We're not talking about 200 students in this case. We're talking about one on one conversation with one person. That's when pronouns matter. Professors never engage in one-on-one conversation with their students? And they never refer to their students in the third-person within the classroom? > And using the coercion as justification for not doing it is, bluntly, an excuse. It's turning around and claiming yourself the victim of what you do to others. I don't think Peterson sees himself as a victim, at all. I think he's alarmed and outraged that proscriptive laws governing his speech have been passed. And as an American who's pretty happy with our 1st amendment, I agree with him. I mean, forget for a moment that this is concerning transgender rights. If a country like Canada continues to outlaw certain ways of speaking, at what point would that concern you? Or would it ever?

beat 9y ago
I fail to see the distinction between "he's alarmed and outraged that proscriptive laws governing his speech have been passed", and seeing himself as a victim of oppression. But this distinction seems very important to some people, who object to my characterization of him as a self-styled victim of oppression. Just because he doesn't use the word "oppression" in that context doesn't mean it isn't his broad meaning. Coercion and oppression are more or less interchangeable.

erik_seaberg 9y ago

"You" is not gendered, only third-person pronouns are in English.