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Also not noted is the portion of people driving in new york city that do not live in new york city...

by rbcgerard 9y ago

SamReidHughes 9y ago
They're driving in so that the people living there don't have to drive out.
- DontTrustOver25 9y ago
  Centers of work and business go wherever the majority goes. They're driving in the city because they don't want to live in the city but they want to work there.
- rayuela 9y ago
  I know guidelines frown against this kind of response, but this is one of the stupidest rebuttals I've ever seen on here...
  - SamReidHughes 9y ago
    Maybe it went over your head. The point that people live outside the city evaporates when their driving is useful to people inside the city. Only if they were driving through without stopping would there be validity to the idea that outsiders are taking advantage of the city.
    - wan23 9y ago
      Their presence is potentially useful but their driving is not. Each person who takes an empty seat on a bus into the city instead of driving is just as useful to people inside the city without causing traffic.
      - SamReidHughes 9y ago
        My reply was about whether residency mattered. You're taking about something different.
    - krschultz 9y ago
      There's a massive amount of "driving through" Manhattan. People in Queens / Brooklyn / Long Island heading anywhere west of Manhattan can be a cause of through traffic. The entire point of congestion pricing is to setup incentives so that people drive north or south of midtown rather than through it.
- rbcgerard 9y ago
  ??? They NEED to drive in from NJ CT etc instead of taking public transit?
  - BoorishBears 9y ago
    From my parent's house in CT you can get to Grand Terminal in NYC by: - Taking public transport only: 30 minutes of walking to the nearest bus stop (bus only on the hour btw). 20 minutes on the bus. 2 hrs 30 minutes on a train to Grand Central. All assuming bus and train time line up (they won't since the bus is hourly). - Driving and taking a train: Drive for 30 minutes and take a 2 and a half hour train ride to Grand Central. - Drive: 2 h 20 min at 5 o'clock on a Friday. Google maps shows 1.5 - 2hrs is average.
    - krschultz 9y ago
      It's foolish to count driving to the train station in CT. Any time the traffic is minimal into NYC, the parking at train stations is also empty. Really everything you cited is fairly naive for getting into and out of the city. Parking is ~$40 a trip unless you can get a street spot (which can be really hard to count on in most neighborhoods). The optimal path is to drive to a train station close to NYC that has frequent service, park and take the train for the last bit. I used to use the Greenwich train station and it worked well. The same is true from New Jersey, you can park at Metropark or get dropped off in Seacaucus. Source: I lived in CT for 3 years, lived in Manhattan for the last 5 years, bought a car and keep it in Manhattan for the last 6 months.
      - BoorishBears 9y ago
        It's foolish to speak so brashly since you don't even know which part of CT I'm referring to. They aren't near enough to any train stations to make the trip faster by switching stations. Your "brilliant" drive to a closer train station idea is still a 2 and a half hour total trip time for reaching the same place. And if your commute daily you're not going to be guessing where you park, you'll probably have a monthly garage. This all goes back to the parent comment which was just being obtuse. In theory no one "needs" to do anything, we can just sit around all day until we waste away. People who "need" to commute in their cars really want to commute in their cars. No one is saying it's cheap, but it's a right that people have, and it's not hard to imagine that for some people commuting from NYC to CT daily, doing it by car is preferable to public transit.

Also not noted is the portion of people driving in new york city that do not live in new york city...

SamReidHughes 9y ago

They're driving in so that the people living there don't have to drive out.

DontTrustOver25 9y ago
Centers of work and business go wherever the majority goes. They're driving in the city because they don't want to live in the city but they want to work there.
rayuela 9y ago
I know guidelines frown against this kind of response, but this is one of the stupidest rebuttals I've ever seen on here...
- SamReidHughes 9y ago
  Maybe it went over your head. The point that people live outside the city evaporates when their driving is useful to people inside the city. Only if they were driving through without stopping would there be validity to the idea that outsiders are taking advantage of the city.
  - wan23 9y ago
    Their presence is potentially useful but their driving is not. Each person who takes an empty seat on a bus into the city instead of driving is just as useful to people inside the city without causing traffic.
    - SamReidHughes 9y ago
      My reply was about whether residency mattered. You're taking about something different.
  - krschultz 9y ago
    There's a massive amount of "driving through" Manhattan. People in Queens / Brooklyn / Long Island heading anywhere west of Manhattan can be a cause of through traffic. The entire point of congestion pricing is to setup incentives so that people drive north or south of midtown rather than through it.
rbcgerard 9y ago
??? They NEED to drive in from NJ CT etc instead of taking public transit?
- BoorishBears 9y ago
  From my parent's house in CT you can get to Grand Terminal in NYC by: - Taking public transport only: 30 minutes of walking to the nearest bus stop (bus only on the hour btw). 20 minutes on the bus. 2 hrs 30 minutes on a train to Grand Central. All assuming bus and train time line up (they won't since the bus is hourly). - Driving and taking a train: Drive for 30 minutes and take a 2 and a half hour train ride to Grand Central. - Drive: 2 h 20 min at 5 o'clock on a Friday. Google maps shows 1.5 - 2hrs is average.
  - krschultz 9y ago
    It's foolish to count driving to the train station in CT. Any time the traffic is minimal into NYC, the parking at train stations is also empty. Really everything you cited is fairly naive for getting into and out of the city. Parking is ~$40 a trip unless you can get a street spot (which can be really hard to count on in most neighborhoods). The optimal path is to drive to a train station close to NYC that has frequent service, park and take the train for the last bit. I used to use the Greenwich train station and it worked well. The same is true from New Jersey, you can park at Metropark or get dropped off in Seacaucus. Source: I lived in CT for 3 years, lived in Manhattan for the last 5 years, bought a car and keep it in Manhattan for the last 6 months.
    - BoorishBears 9y ago
      It's foolish to speak so brashly since you don't even know which part of CT I'm referring to. They aren't near enough to any train stations to make the trip faster by switching stations. Your "brilliant" drive to a closer train station idea is still a 2 and a half hour total trip time for reaching the same place. And if your commute daily you're not going to be guessing where you park, you'll probably have a monthly garage. This all goes back to the parent comment which was just being obtuse. In theory no one "needs" to do anything, we can just sit around all day until we waste away. People who "need" to commute in their cars really want to commute in their cars. No one is saying it's cheap, but it's a right that people have, and it's not hard to imagine that for some people commuting from NYC to CT daily, doing it by car is preferable to public transit.