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I run coderfit.com, we match programmers with tech jobs in Zurich, Munich and NYC. Since a long time I try to educate companies to at least pay a symbolic sum

by s3nnyy 9y ago

I run coderfit.com, we match programmers with tech jobs in Zurich, Munich and NYC. Since a long time I try to educate companies to at least pay a symbolic sum to the engineer, like 10-20 USD/hour. The reason companies don't do this is because they think that if the programmer fails, paying 100 USD for "nothing" is a waste (x). Most don't value the positive reputation and word of mouth this will generate. They just assume that if you're rejected they will never meet you again and after all you "agreed" to do a free homework task, so you are not supposed to be pissed. (x) Paying recruitment agencies five figures however feels okay because it is somewhat linked to the success of contributing bringing a new person in.

Chris2048 9y ago
> they think that if the programmer fails, paying 100 USD for "nothing" is a waste This angers me, as it suggests the programmer wasting time for nothing is fine..
- s3nnyy 9y ago
  This is my educated guess why they are not doing this. 100 USD for a company is like, nothing but you have to get it approved and so on. Also many companies live in the illusion people are supposed to be excited to work for them or even worse they think they're Google although most lack the brandname. They look at how Google hires and think "Google is successful", so we just copy them, which will make us successfull, too. Well, this is a guaranteed way to fail because Google can allow themselves to do this due to Sergey Brin & Larry Page who turned tech into value, which turned into prestige/brand. This reminds me of PG, who wrote in one of his essays: "Prestige is just fossilized inspiration. If you do anything well enough, you'll make it prestigious"
cl0wnshoes 9y ago
Similar results with codescreen.io. Originally I was charging $50/screen which is exactly what I was given per phone screen. Feedback is that $50 is too expensive even though we're seeing the same results and providing reports and a study suggestions for the candidates (which is how I decided to minimize completely wasting a candidates time). People place a lot of value on human to human interaction.

by s3nnyy 9y ago

Chris2048 9y ago

> they think that if the programmer fails, paying 100 USD for "nothing" is a waste This angers me, as it suggests the programmer wasting time for nothing is fine..

s3nnyy 9y ago
This is my educated guess why they are not doing this. 100 USD for a company is like, nothing but you have to get it approved and so on. Also many companies live in the illusion people are supposed to be excited to work for them or even worse they think they're Google although most lack the brandname. They look at how Google hires and think "Google is successful", so we just copy them, which will make us successfull, too. Well, this is a guaranteed way to fail because Google can allow themselves to do this due to Sergey Brin & Larry Page who turned tech into value, which turned into prestige/brand. This reminds me of PG, who wrote in one of his essays: "Prestige is just fossilized inspiration. If you do anything well enough, you'll make it prestigious"

cl0wnshoes 9y ago

Similar results with codescreen.io. Originally I was charging $50/screen which is exactly what I was given per phone screen. Feedback is that $50 is too expensive even though we're seeing the same results and providing reports and a study suggestions for the candidates (which is how I decided to minimize completely wasting a candidates time). People place a lot of value on human to human interaction.