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While I agree in principle poor people are going to be hit by this the hardest and that's something that has to be taken into account in public policy.

herbturbo 9y ago
Poor people in NYC don't typically drive into Manhattan.
- yorby 9y ago
  How about the middle or upper-middle class? or is that considered poor nowadays...
berbec 9y ago
Actually, lower income people are likely to overwhelmingly gain from this plan. Poor people don't drive to Manhattan. The cost of parking and tolls puts it out of their reach. Therefor, this is funding which will be used to upgrade the transportation system they do use - the Subway. "The median household income of those with wheels is more than double that of those without - $85,000 compared with $40,630." [1] Do you really think someone who is "poor" can afford "UP TO 12 HOURS $31.25" [2] daily parking, when an unlimited Metrocard is $32 weekly? The commute would be shorter in the car, but with $150/week for parking, add tolls and the cost of insuring/maintaining a car, I do not see congestion pricing being a poor tax. 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/opinion/editorials/manhattan-congestion-pricing-traffic.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/opinion/editorials/manhat... 2: grabbed from one major garage site. not the end-all pricing, but it's close http://www.rapidparknyc.com/daily-parking-nyc-garage-rates-Midtown-East.cfm http://www.rapidparknyc.com/daily-parking-nyc-garage-rates-M...
thescriptkiddie 9y ago
I find it hard to believe that a congestion charge is going to disproportionately affect the poor, especially in Manhattan. The majority of New Yorkers — and a supermajority of Manhattanites — do not own a car. Those who do own cars have incomes nearly twice as high as those who don't. Only 5.8% of commuters to Manhattan arrive by single-occupancy vehicle. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2017/04/21/a-reminder-pricing-car-trips-to-fund-transit-is-progressive-policy/ https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2017/04/21/a-reminder-pricing-ca...
TuringK 9y ago
Might high middle class people too -- those not wealthy enough to live in posh Manhattan townhouses and go over the river to more affordable areas at the expense of lower/no subway coverage.

herbturbo 9y ago

Poor people in NYC don't typically drive into Manhattan.

yorby 9y ago
How about the middle or upper-middle class? or is that considered poor nowadays...

berbec 9y ago

Actually, lower income people are likely to overwhelmingly gain from this plan. Poor people don't drive to Manhattan. The cost of parking and tolls puts it out of their reach. Therefor, this is funding which will be used to upgrade the transportation system they do use - the Subway. "The median household income of those with wheels is more than double that of those without - $85,000 compared with $40,630." [1] Do you really think someone who is "poor" can afford "UP TO 12 HOURS $31.25" [2] daily parking, when an unlimited Metrocard is $32 weekly? The commute would be shorter in the car, but with $150/week for parking, add tolls and the cost of insuring/maintaining a car, I do not see congestion pricing being a poor tax. 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/opinion/editorials/manhattan-congestion-pricing-traffic.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/opinion/editorials/manhat... 2: grabbed from one major garage site. not the end-all pricing, but it's close http://www.rapidparknyc.com/daily-parking-nyc-garage-rates-Midtown-East.cfm http://www.rapidparknyc.com/daily-parking-nyc-garage-rates-M...

thescriptkiddie 9y ago

I find it hard to believe that a congestion charge is going to disproportionately affect the poor, especially in Manhattan. The majority of New Yorkers — and a supermajority of Manhattanites — do not own a car. Those who do own cars have incomes nearly twice as high as those who don't. Only 5.8% of commuters to Manhattan arrive by single-occupancy vehicle. https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2017/04/21/a-reminder-pricing-car-trips-to-fund-transit-is-progressive-policy/ https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2017/04/21/a-reminder-pricing-ca...

TuringK 9y ago

Might high middle class people too -- those not wealthy enough to live in posh Manhattan townhouses and go over the river to more affordable areas at the expense of lower/no subway coverage.