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I dunno, if you look at specifically this kind of intelligence cooperation with "dirty" states' intelligence agencies (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, etc.), I'v
by _delirium 9y ago
I dunno, if you look at specifically this kind of intelligence cooperation with "dirty" states' intelligence agencies (Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, etc.), I've found people in "conservative" rural areas to be almost uniformly against it, even if you wouldn't be able to tell that from how their political representatives vote. I mean, to be fair, most people I've met in any location of any politics aren't really happy with it, which contrasts with how we seem to have a bipartisan consensus in favor. But the minority of people who will actually argue in favor have almost uniformly been in "liberal", urban areas. I've had a few infuriating arguments with California liberals defending Dianne Feinstein's views on intelligence cooperation, while I've never run into someone in a conservative part of Texas who really wants to convince me that CIA-Saudi connections are Actually Very Good. At most, they might fall back on "well, Clinton is even worse" in defending a GOP politician's votes, but I've never personally met rural conservatives who want to own that position. (Admittedly, I don't know any conservatives from more of a Donald Rumsfeld demographic, who I know exist and I assume are probably also on board with that kind of thing.)
- ainiriand 9y agoI agree. It looks to me that this is just the case of the CIA operating completely out of control. USA is not to blame, the president is not to blame, and the citizens are not to blame.
- thisacctforreal 9y agoIf no one is to blame for letting it happen, who do we expect to step up and attempt to address it?
- _delirium 9y agoI'm not sure I'd let the presidents off the hook. It's not entirely clear because much information isn't public, but from what is public it appears likely that at least Bill Clinton and George W. Bush authorized at least some cases of 'extraordinary rendition'.
- sjsbsh 9y agoDonald rumsfeld’s demographic live in the beltway. It’s no surprise to me that the pols I respect, R. Pauls, R. Wyden, and the like come from more rural states (Texas, Kentucky, Oregon) . The cities are the problem, I fear