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Can you describe in what ways SV feels like Animal Farm? > The Orwellian mismatch between rhetoric and action feels like cult-like propaganda to me. Can you l

by acchow 9y ago

Can you describe in what ways SV feels like Animal Farm? > The Orwellian mismatch between rhetoric and action feels like cult-like propaganda to me. Can you list out a few of these actions?

j4ship 9y ago
work life balance is double speak for : your life is your work an extreme cynical view , but that is the beauty of it , its hidden in plain sight. How can a company give indefinite vacation, only if it hires and prevays a culture of overwork? The type of people hired will never take that vacation. Im not right , but im not wrong. The point is "work life balance" and "unlimited vacation" are not clear ideas on the reality of the environments and for some they can be a rose colored glass over the true experience. SV is very much the benevolent dictator ... giving you everything you could ask for , just be its slave. Can a slave only be a slave for 10 years and leave? Can a job that pays over 6 figures feel like slavery? I answer yes to the latter. You are payed well , but you are not respected as a developer. This will only change when we become the heads of our industry and not the tools to be used by money men.
Karrot_Kream 9y ago
Maybe I should tell the (abridged) tale of XMPP. Once upon a time, XMPP was an open standard that allowed FB, Google, and independent clients federate at once. The reason Google and FB were able to become such popular messengers is because they allowed all sorts of clients to federate with them. This was the world of Pidgin, Trillian, GTalk, Adium, and others. Then Google and FB both closed off their XMPP support, citing overhead in maintaining a federated service. Facebook thought it was a better use of its resources to build a Snapchat clone named Slingshot. Google decided it was a better use of its resources to build a social network named Google+. Animal Farm: "Four legs good, two legs bad" Google: "Don't be evil" Animal Farm: "Four legs good, two legs better" Google: "You can make money without doing evil" [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil#cite_note-GooglePhil-11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil#cite_note-Goog... In the old days, this was called Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
- fossuser 9y ago
  Small point that I think FB's snapchat clone was called "Poke". Also XMPP sucked when it came to mobile devices - maybe the right answer was to have a RFC for an improvement to the standard rather than create environments outside of it, but I can see a reasonable argument for biasing towards development speed. Google kept XMPP support the longest - I think they closed it when everyone else was closed and the others were using Google's remaining XMPP support to farm over Google users while not allowing Google access to do the same. It's a problem with incentives - there was a time when cross service compatibility was important.

by acchow 9y ago

Can you describe in what ways SV feels like Animal Farm? > The Orwellian mismatch between rhetoric and action feels like cult-like propaganda to me. Can you list out a few of these actions?

j4ship 9y ago

work life balance is double speak for : your life is your work an extreme cynical view , but that is the beauty of it , its hidden in plain sight. How can a company give indefinite vacation, only if it hires and prevays a culture of overwork? The type of people hired will never take that vacation. Im not right , but im not wrong. The point is "work life balance" and "unlimited vacation" are not clear ideas on the reality of the environments and for some they can be a rose colored glass over the true experience. SV is very much the benevolent dictator ... giving you everything you could ask for , just be its slave. Can a slave only be a slave for 10 years and leave? Can a job that pays over 6 figures feel like slavery? I answer yes to the latter. You are payed well , but you are not respected as a developer. This will only change when we become the heads of our industry and not the tools to be used by money men.

Karrot_Kream 9y ago

Maybe I should tell the (abridged) tale of XMPP. Once upon a time, XMPP was an open standard that allowed FB, Google, and independent clients federate at once. The reason Google and FB were able to become such popular messengers is because they allowed all sorts of clients to federate with them. This was the world of Pidgin, Trillian, GTalk, Adium, and others. Then Google and FB both closed off their XMPP support, citing overhead in maintaining a federated service. Facebook thought it was a better use of its resources to build a Snapchat clone named Slingshot. Google decided it was a better use of its resources to build a social network named Google+. Animal Farm: "Four legs good, two legs bad" Google: "Don't be evil" Animal Farm: "Four legs good, two legs better" Google: "You can make money without doing evil" [1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil#cite_note-GooglePhil-11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil#cite_note-Goog... In the old days, this was called Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

fossuser 9y ago
Small point that I think FB's snapchat clone was called "Poke". Also XMPP sucked when it came to mobile devices - maybe the right answer was to have a RFC for an improvement to the standard rather than create environments outside of it, but I can see a reasonable argument for biasing towards development speed. Google kept XMPP support the longest - I think they closed it when everyone else was closed and the others were using Google's remaining XMPP support to farm over Google users while not allowing Google access to do the same. It's a problem with incentives - there was a time when cross service compatibility was important.