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No one is against people living in rural areas; people who want that are welcome to it. The focus is more on suburbs, which are more of a recent invention, esp

by davidw 9y ago

No one is against people living in rural areas; people who want that are welcome to it. The focus is more on suburbs, which are more of a recent invention, especially the US-style ones where no one can live without a car and all the subsidies that accompany them. Realistically, not everyone is going to live in some dense urban core, and there'd be a gradation from that to rural, like there always has been. The point is that should probably be a bit more natural curve, rather than having tons of burbs that don't really pay for themselves, long term.

emodendroket 9y ago
Hmm. So people would live inside some sort of "sub-urban" environment, which wasn't quite rural, but not exactly urban either.
- davidw 9y ago
  Some people would, sure. You'd expect that in a free market, right? Part of the point of all this is that the market we have now is very, very far from free: vast areas of our cities are zoned exclusively for single family homes. https://bendyimby.com/2016/10/04/what-to-build-where/ https://bendyimby.com/2016/10/04/what-to-build-where/
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    Who says the market is the best way to zone areas? How would you feel if you owned a house and someone opened a pig farm next door?
    - davidw 9y ago
      I don't think that's very realistic in many cases - they could sell the land for a lot more money for housing. But in any event: a few hard-core libertarians would like to completely throw out zoning, but most people just want to bring it back in line with things that are actual nuisances - or bring back actual nuisance laws in some cases. We've gone from legit things like trying to keep factories away from houses and schools to people losing their marbles about a duplex being built in their neighborhood. It's gone way too far. As to why markets are generally a good way of solving complex problems with lots of moving parts, I did mention that in the article.

by davidw 9y ago

emodendroket 9y ago

Hmm. So people would live inside some sort of "sub-urban" environment, which wasn't quite rural, but not exactly urban either.

davidw 9y ago
Some people would, sure. You'd expect that in a free market, right? Part of the point of all this is that the market we have now is very, very far from free: vast areas of our cities are zoned exclusively for single family homes. https://bendyimby.com/2016/10/04/what-to-build-where/ https://bendyimby.com/2016/10/04/what-to-build-where/
- emodendroket 9y ago
  Who says the market is the best way to zone areas? How would you feel if you owned a house and someone opened a pig farm next door?
  - davidw 9y ago
    I don't think that's very realistic in many cases - they could sell the land for a lot more money for housing. But in any event: a few hard-core libertarians would like to completely throw out zoning, but most people just want to bring it back in line with things that are actual nuisances - or bring back actual nuisance laws in some cases. We've gone from legit things like trying to keep factories away from houses and schools to people losing their marbles about a duplex being built in their neighborhood. It's gone way too far. As to why markets are generally a good way of solving complex problems with lots of moving parts, I did mention that in the article.