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There is also substantial evidence that it has. The poor in America are richer and have higher living standards than the poor of less-globalized places. Absolut

There is also substantial evidence that it has. The poor in America are richer and have higher living standards than the poor of less-globalized places. Absolute poverty in developed countries is far lower than at any possible by in history. In fact the same could be said for absolute poverty globally. And that, is a direct result of globalization.

mistermann 9y ago
Was it globalism that made them richer? They weren't already richer pre-globalism (say, 15 to 20 years ago)?
YPCrumble 9y ago
> The poor in America are richer and have higher living standards than the poor of less-globalized places. This is complete nonsense and makes you sound like someone who should take some time volunteering with America's poor. Clearly you have no idea what poverty is like and should earn some perspective. Are you trying to say that hunger in America is any different from hunger in a "less globalized place"? How so? How about homelessness? Is that different in America vs. other places? How about dying of disease because you don't have health care? Is that different in America somehow?
- JoeAltmaier 9y ago
  Extreme. The poor can refer to the bottom quintile of socioeconomic class. We don't have to jump to the bottom tenth of a percent. In that view, the comment is valid. The bottom earners in America earn more than most people on the planet. And have better infrastructure.
  - YPCrumble 9y ago
    Google "what percent of Americans face hunger" and get back to me about one tenth of one percent. That is a number you made up in your head just now. Extreme might be saying we should compare America to the poorest nations on earth. If you compare America to its peers the average American earns less, and the country has worse infrastructure.
    - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
      Ok, done. 15% are 'food insecure' which is a broad range including 'skip a meal sometimes'. 15% worldwide live on less than 1.25 a day. So again, comparing America's poor with the world is like night and day.
      - YPCrumble 9y ago
        I'll take your response as agreeing with me that saying that one tenth of one percent of Americans are hungry was completely and utterly wrong :).
        JoeAltmaier 9y ago
        If only that had been said. It was the trifecta "hungry, homeless and diseased" that was referenced.
  - da_chicken 9y ago
    The bottom quintile had a mean household income of just $12,000 in 2016 (https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2017/09/19/u-s-household-incomes-a-50-year-perspective https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2017/09/1...). I'm struggling to understand how such a household could afford to pay rent on $1,000 a month, let alone afford "luxuries" such as doctor visits. And, yes, they would qualify for SNAP assistance, but in my (second hand) experience it's not much and decreases faster than income increases (i.e., and increase in monthly salary of $x/mo results in a loss of food assistance greater than $x/mo).
RobertoG 9y ago
>"Absolute poverty in developed countries is far lower than at any possible by in history. In fact the same could be said for absolute poverty globally. And that, is a direct result of globalization." Actually that it's not true. Absolute poverty better global numbers are due mainly to China. A little also to India. For the rest, it could be argue that they are equal or, in some cases worst. You could argue that China have benefited from globalization, and, in a way is true. Except that their strategy is almost the opposite of the strategy recommended by the champions of globalization (IMF, etc..)
wu-ikkyu 9y ago
What do you mean by "absolute poverty"? While the proportion of people living in poverty may have been getting lower, the absolute number of people living in poverty has never been higher. 3 billion people live in poverty. This is the same as the total global population in 1960. https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-global-poverty https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-global-p...
- tonyedgecombe 9y ago
  The UN defines "absolute poverty" as: A condition characterised by severe deprivation of basic human needs, including food, safe drinking water, sanitation facilities, health, shelter, education and information. It depends not only on income but also on access to services. The percentage of people at this level has been falling for a long time and is now less than 10% of the global population, nowhere near 3 billion.

mistermann 9y ago

Was it globalism that made them richer? They weren't already richer pre-globalism (say, 15 to 20 years ago)?

YPCrumble 9y ago

> The poor in America are richer and have higher living standards than the poor of less-globalized places. This is complete nonsense and makes you sound like someone who should take some time volunteering with America's poor. Clearly you have no idea what poverty is like and should earn some perspective. Are you trying to say that hunger in America is any different from hunger in a "less globalized place"? How so? How about homelessness? Is that different in America vs. other places? How about dying of disease because you don't have health care? Is that different in America somehow?

JoeAltmaier 9y ago
Extreme. The poor can refer to the bottom quintile of socioeconomic class. We don't have to jump to the bottom tenth of a percent. In that view, the comment is valid. The bottom earners in America earn more than most people on the planet. And have better infrastructure.
- YPCrumble 9y ago
  Google "what percent of Americans face hunger" and get back to me about one tenth of one percent. That is a number you made up in your head just now. Extreme might be saying we should compare America to the poorest nations on earth. If you compare America to its peers the average American earns less, and the country has worse infrastructure.
  - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
    Ok, done. 15% are 'food insecure' which is a broad range including 'skip a meal sometimes'. 15% worldwide live on less than 1.25 a day. So again, comparing America's poor with the world is like night and day.
    - YPCrumble 9y ago
      I'll take your response as agreeing with me that saying that one tenth of one percent of Americans are hungry was completely and utterly wrong :).
      - JoeAltmaier 9y ago
        If only that had been said. It was the trifecta "hungry, homeless and diseased" that was referenced.
- da_chicken 9y ago
  The bottom quintile had a mean household income of just $12,000 in 2016 (https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2017/09/19/u-s-household-incomes-a-50-year-perspective https://www.advisorperspectives.com/dshort/updates/2017/09/1...). I'm struggling to understand how such a household could afford to pay rent on $1,000 a month, let alone afford "luxuries" such as doctor visits. And, yes, they would qualify for SNAP assistance, but in my (second hand) experience it's not much and decreases faster than income increases (i.e., and increase in monthly salary of $x/mo results in a loss of food assistance greater than $x/mo).

RobertoG 9y ago

>"Absolute poverty in developed countries is far lower than at any possible by in history. In fact the same could be said for absolute poverty globally. And that, is a direct result of globalization." Actually that it's not true. Absolute poverty better global numbers are due mainly to China. A little also to India. For the rest, it could be argue that they are equal or, in some cases worst. You could argue that China have benefited from globalization, and, in a way is true. Except that their strategy is almost the opposite of the strategy recommended by the champions of globalization (IMF, etc..)

wu-ikkyu 9y ago

What do you mean by "absolute poverty"? While the proportion of people living in poverty may have been getting lower, the absolute number of people living in poverty has never been higher. 3 billion people live in poverty. This is the same as the total global population in 1960. https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-global-poverty https://www.dosomething.org/us/facts/11-facts-about-global-p...

tonyedgecombe 9y ago
The UN defines "absolute poverty" as: A condition characterised by severe deprivation of basic human needs, including food, safe drinking water, sanitation facilities, health, shelter, education and information. It depends not only on income but also on access to services. The percentage of people at this level has been falling for a long time and is now less than 10% of the global population, nowhere near 3 billion.