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Small shops, in my experience, have more time and labor available than money When a developer costs the company $100+/hour, it's hard to justify paying him/her
by Johnny555 9y ago
Small shops, in my experience, have more time and labor available than money
When a developer costs the company $100+/hour, it's hard to justify paying him/her to manage a database when you can pay AWS $50/month to do it.... and AWS will almost always do it better than a developer will do in his/her spare time.
The bigger your scale, the stronger the argument becomes to not use cloud.
Sure, very large companies may find it more cost effective to own their own hardware and datacenters, but there's a huge number of comapnies where self-hosting makes no sense. I know someone at a company that pays nearly $1M/month to AWS -- the company has about 50 developers and 2 ops staff to manage the entire compute infrastructure, their server count varies throughout the day depending on customer demand from around 1000 overnight to 8000 servers during peak daytime usage. Their peak lasts from 6am - 6pm, so most servers would be unused for 12 hours a day. They've got about a petabyte of storage in AWS S3.
But, since you're focused on pricing for bare metal vs AWS, let's look at some pricing that's loosely based on a company I used to work for. (this company took data from customers, ran monthly processing and returned aggregated data to customers,so nearly all bandwidth was inbound)
A Dell R530 with a 20 Thread CPU, 4x16GB RAM and 4TB SSD disk (RAID-1 so 2TB usable) is around $8500, or around $275/month for a 3 year lease. You can rent 1U in a reliable coloc for $200 (including network port + basic firewall services), so you're looking at $575/month.
This is roughly equivalent to 4 m4.xlarge's ($0.086/hour each at 3 year reserved pricing) and 2TB SSD EBS disk ($200/month) or around $450/month. Add in a TB of outbound data for $100, so that's $550/month.
Sounds pretty comparable... oh, but you want redundancy, if your machine (or data center) goes up in flames, you don't want to lose your service, so add in another hardware server + fees, so you're paying over $1000/month.
Depending on your need for redundancy, with Amazon you may be fine with an ASG with health check that restarts your server if it fails. Or you can spread your servers across data centers. Or you keep cold spares in another AZ or region that you launch once a day to sync disks so you're only paying for 5 minutes/day of usage)
So that covers base load. So now, at the end of the month your customers have been sending you data, and they expect you to process it and send aggregated reports back to them within 3 days of the end of the month. You don't have enough spare CPU/memory on your existing servers (even if you use your spare server) to do this month-end processing with existing hardware, so you spin up 4 i3.8xlarge's (32 core, 244GB CPU, 8TB local SSD) at $2.50/hour for 32 hours, or $320 for all 4.
Each of those is bigger than the R530's you're using, but let's say pricing is the same, so you're paying another $1000/month to lease servers you're only using 2 days a month.
And now your service grows and you want to expand capacity. If you own the servers, you need to buy new ones and pay someone to rack and configure them and migrate your applications. While with AWS you just do a quick stop/start and suddenly you're running on a bigger server.
This cloud scaling is only useful if your credit card can handle 50x the charges
If you can't pay for your infrastructure it doesn't matter whether you're on cloud servers or not.
- candiodari 9y ago> This is roughly equivalent to 4 m4.xlarge's ($0.086/hour each at 3 year reserved pricing) and 2TB SSD EBS disk ($200/month) or around $450/month. Add in a TB of outbound data for $100, so that's $550/month. How about this one ? https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex41s https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/ex41s That's, including network bandwidth, 40 euros/month. The commit is one month, not three years. And redundancy is a problem, fair enough. How about we take two in every continent, and still comfortably beat you on price ? You might say that the cpu is not equivalent, but I'll discuss that below. Everything else is obviously equivalent or better. At this point you've got WAY more of everything, including reliability, for a significantly lower price. Everything. Network bandwidth, cpu capacity, disk, memory, everything. And this is metal, not virtualized performance. So aside from many tasks performing better (anything that isn't pure compute, anything that needs to use the network, disk, ... whatever), you're also way safer, you actually get to use the memory ... 4x m4.xlarge will give you, in total 16 "vcpu" on a 2.4 GHz Intel Xeon® E5-2676 v3 (most likely), plus 64 gigs of ram. The i7 runs at 4Ghz, with significantly less cache (takes 3 of them have more cache than 1 Xeon). However, since this isn't virtualized it's going to matter a LOT less. You see you are trying to compare 2/3 of a single xeon cpu in a quad-xeon server virtualized against 100% of a dual xeon server. Surprise ! The 100% dual xeon is more expensive. In reality that R530 is equivalent to 12 m4.xlarges. So apples to apples, however, non-cloud is absurdly much cheaper. And I'm being polite here, not pointing out that 100G of internet bandwidth is nothing, and just how much that Hetzner server includes, or your example hosted R530 (will definitely come with, in the worst case possible, 40T, and if you want better prices than that, feel free to contact me) > > This cloud scaling is only useful if your credit card can handle 50x the charges > If you can't pay for your infrastructure it doesn't matter whether you're on cloud servers or not. True, but every big company got big by producing more value for less money. Not hosting on cloud is going to make the less money part a lot easier.