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Does anyone have an idea of how much the cost of staff is for a container ship? With crews of ~15-25 per ship and most of the staff coming from low wage countr

by sien 9y ago

Does anyone have an idea of how much the cost of staff is for a container ship? With crews of ~15-25 per ship and most of the staff coming from low wage countries is it significant?

steve19 9y ago
Crews are unionised and paid a lot of money. This would not replace all crew members. You would still need ship engineers to maintain the ship and electrical engineers to monitor and repair refrigeration containers (they will attempt to fix them at sea if they mulfunction). So you would still need a cook to feed them. So maybe you cut the crew in half, and significantly reduce risk of accidents, piracy, etc.
- user5994461 9y ago
  That's probably not possible to cut in half if there are already as little as 15 people. There should be a requirement for a big ship to have a few people awake and ready at all time. It's gonna take about that much people just to have a 24/7 rotation.
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contingencies 9y ago
I thought you could pull this out of a publicly listed shipping company's annual general report. Here is a list: http://www.ship-technology.com/features/featuremega-shippers-the-worlds-10-biggest-shipping-companies-4518689/ http://www.ship-technology.com/features/featuremega-shippers... Largest is the Danish company Maersk @ http://investor.maersk.com/financials.cfm http://investor.maersk.com/financials.cfm however the report for 2016 does not show crew overheads as a separate line item in the annual financials. Interesting they already own APM Terminal which has annual profits of USD$1B. Second largest is Swiss and private so no documents available. Third is French CMA CGM @ https://www.cma-cgm.com/finance https://www.cma-cgm.com/finance which includes the statement Running costs, which typically include crew and technical maintenance, approximate 13% of the total charter commitments as they relate to large vessels with relatively low running costs compared to the capital cost and due to the effect of bareboat commitments. (regarding leased vessels)
briffle 9y ago
if you have crew, you also have crew supporting things such as: kitchens, sleeping areas, gathering areas, rescue boats, toilets, etc. All of those could add more space for cargo. I also imagine not having to load up food, supplies, etc would also save time/effort. You could also go as slow as you want (saving fuel) depending on your cargo..
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sien 9y ago
OK, found this: https://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch3en/conc3en/containeroperatingcosts.html https://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch3en/conc3en/contai... It seems to be about 1M of 9M in operating costs and is dwarfed by fuel charges. It's also clear from answers around here that's it's not clear that you can easily make the ship fully autonomous anyway.

by sien 9y ago

Does anyone have an idea of how much the cost of staff is for a container ship? With crews of ~15-25 per ship and most of the staff coming from low wage countries is it significant?

steve19 9y ago

Crews are unionised and paid a lot of money. This would not replace all crew members. You would still need ship engineers to maintain the ship and electrical engineers to monitor and repair refrigeration containers (they will attempt to fix them at sea if they mulfunction). So you would still need a cook to feed them. So maybe you cut the crew in half, and significantly reduce risk of accidents, piracy, etc.

user5994461 9y ago
That's probably not possible to cut in half if there are already as little as 15 people. There should be a requirement for a big ship to have a few people awake and ready at all time. It's gonna take about that much people just to have a 24/7 rotation.
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contingencies 9y ago

I thought you could pull this out of a publicly listed shipping company's annual general report. Here is a list: http://www.ship-technology.com/features/featuremega-shippers-the-worlds-10-biggest-shipping-companies-4518689/ http://www.ship-technology.com/features/featuremega-shippers... Largest is the Danish company Maersk @ http://investor.maersk.com/financials.cfm http://investor.maersk.com/financials.cfm however the report for 2016 does not show crew overheads as a separate line item in the annual financials. Interesting they already own APM Terminal which has annual profits of USD$1B. Second largest is Swiss and private so no documents available. Third is French CMA CGM @ https://www.cma-cgm.com/finance https://www.cma-cgm.com/finance which includes the statement Running costs, which typically include crew and technical maintenance, approximate 13% of the total charter commitments as they relate to large vessels with relatively low running costs compared to the capital cost and due to the effect of bareboat commitments. (regarding leased vessels)

briffle 9y ago

if you have crew, you also have crew supporting things such as: kitchens, sleeping areas, gathering areas, rescue boats, toilets, etc. All of those could add more space for cargo. I also imagine not having to load up food, supplies, etc would also save time/effort. You could also go as slow as you want (saving fuel) depending on your cargo..

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sien 9y ago

OK, found this: https://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch3en/conc3en/containeroperatingcosts.html https://people.hofstra.edu/geotrans/eng/ch3en/conc3en/contai... It seems to be about 1M of 9M in operating costs and is dwarfed by fuel charges. It's also clear from answers around here that's it's not clear that you can easily make the ship fully autonomous anyway.