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> people who are afraid of death I am afraid to live after a certain point of time. When you have no direct descendants or significant other, when your bucket

by chx 9y ago

> people who are afraid of death I am afraid to live after a certain point of time. When you have no direct descendants or significant other, when your bucket list is done, what's the point of keeping a slowly failing mind alive in a more rapidly failing body? I don't want to grow old, I fail to see why I should and there's no law, not even Canada that would allow me to choose a peaceful ending date for my own. And they call this suicidal which I am not. I have my life planned and I know when I want to end it, more than a decade from now. Some people plan to travel the world when they retire, I just want not to live but I can't.

rdiddly 9y ago
There is no law anywhere that can stop you from killing yourself, much less punish you afterward!
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  True, but it used to be a crime in many jurisdictions and i you're open about it you can be forcibly placed in psychiatric care in many places right now.
  - chx 9y ago
    Quite right. Here's an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLEO/comments/2klr4p/have_you_ever_done_a_wellness_check_what_for_how/clmitcx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLEO/comments/2klr4p/have_you_eve... > In fact, in my jurisdiction a 3rd party saying you said you were going to kill yourself is enough to detain you in a psychiatric hospital for a few hours at least.
- chx 9y ago
  Neither there is one allowing assistance :/ I want to end in peace and dignity. Is that too much to ask? Apparently. There is a lot of assistance available that leads you to extend your life beyond the point where you can keep your dignity but none where you can just ... bow out. Whenever a trainer has asked what's my goal, my only answer was, I don't want to end up in a wheelchair in twenty years. My back already hurts a little pretty much constantly, I don't want to live long enough where it becomes unbearable and/or I can't even walk any more. Truly what's the point. And voicing these -- in my opinion entirely rational -- thoughts are almost taboo.
  - rdiddly 9y ago
    https://www.deathwithdignity.org/learn/death-with-dignity-acts/ https://www.deathwithdignity.org/learn/death-with-dignity-ac...
    - chx 9y ago
      Every single assisted dying statute at this point requires you to be terminally ill. The Netherlands is on the path to waive this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/13/netherlands-may-allow-assisted-dying-for-those-who-feel-life-is-complete https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/13/netherlands-ma... but only for the elderly. We will see what age they set but I feel like it'll be like 70 or something.
liberte82 9y ago
I think it's historic and comes from a religious fear of people who commit suicide going to hell.
emptybits 9y ago
> there's no law, not even Canada that would allow me to choose a peaceful ending date for my own Canada is getting there. Slowly. For those not in the loop... Since 2016, medically assisted death in Canada has been available in some circumstances. (Previous to that, arranging or participating in such a death may have been considered homicide which put doctors and families at risk.) The "Carter case" helped get this through courts and parliament. Our current legislation still requires patients to have a "grievous and irremediable medical condition" (this is not liberal enough, yet, for some), with more than one doctor supporting the assisted death (this is apparently not difficult to find), and a reflection period for the patient (seems reasonable). So the next battle is apparently to eliminate requirement for a patient to have a "grievous and irremediable medical condition". That's being challenged by courts in BC by the BC Civil Liberties Association under the "Lamb case". https://bccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2016-06-27-Notice-of-Civil-Claim.pdf https://bccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2016-06-27-Noti... So the Canadian situation has improved immensely in the last couple of years but not for everyone yet. I hope you (and everyone) will eventually find death on your own terms without resorting to feeling like you're doing something "wrong" and without having to criminally implicate supportive family and friends. Aside: I've worked with the BCCLA in the past and IMO they have long been a challenger of unjust and uncivilized laws for all Canadians. So if you forsee their fight(s) benefitting yourself or your loved ones then I encourage you to volunteer or donate or otherwise support them. Moral advancement is the goal.

by chx 9y ago

rdiddly 9y ago

There is no law anywhere that can stop you from killing yourself, much less punish you afterward!

anigbrowl 9y ago
True, but it used to be a crime in many jurisdictions and i you're open about it you can be forcibly placed in psychiatric care in many places right now.
- chx 9y ago
  Quite right. Here's an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLEO/comments/2klr4p/have_you_ever_done_a_wellness_check_what_for_how/clmitcx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskLEO/comments/2klr4p/have_you_eve... > In fact, in my jurisdiction a 3rd party saying you said you were going to kill yourself is enough to detain you in a psychiatric hospital for a few hours at least.
chx 9y ago
Neither there is one allowing assistance :/ I want to end in peace and dignity. Is that too much to ask? Apparently. There is a lot of assistance available that leads you to extend your life beyond the point where you can keep your dignity but none where you can just ... bow out. Whenever a trainer has asked what's my goal, my only answer was, I don't want to end up in a wheelchair in twenty years. My back already hurts a little pretty much constantly, I don't want to live long enough where it becomes unbearable and/or I can't even walk any more. Truly what's the point. And voicing these -- in my opinion entirely rational -- thoughts are almost taboo.
- rdiddly 9y ago
  https://www.deathwithdignity.org/learn/death-with-dignity-acts/ https://www.deathwithdignity.org/learn/death-with-dignity-ac...
  - chx 9y ago
    Every single assisted dying statute at this point requires you to be terminally ill. The Netherlands is on the path to waive this https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/13/netherlands-may-allow-assisted-dying-for-those-who-feel-life-is-complete https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/13/netherlands-ma... but only for the elderly. We will see what age they set but I feel like it'll be like 70 or something.

liberte82 9y ago

I think it's historic and comes from a religious fear of people who commit suicide going to hell.

emptybits 9y ago

> there's no law, not even Canada that would allow me to choose a peaceful ending date for my own Canada is getting there. Slowly. For those not in the loop... Since 2016, medically assisted death in Canada has been available in some circumstances. (Previous to that, arranging or participating in such a death may have been considered homicide which put doctors and families at risk.) The "Carter case" helped get this through courts and parliament. Our current legislation still requires patients to have a "grievous and irremediable medical condition" (this is not liberal enough, yet, for some), with more than one doctor supporting the assisted death (this is apparently not difficult to find), and a reflection period for the patient (seems reasonable). So the next battle is apparently to eliminate requirement for a patient to have a "grievous and irremediable medical condition". That's being challenged by courts in BC by the BC Civil Liberties Association under the "Lamb case". https://bccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2016-06-27-Notice-of-Civil-Claim.pdf https://bccla.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2016-06-27-Noti... So the Canadian situation has improved immensely in the last couple of years but not for everyone yet. I hope you (and everyone) will eventually find death on your own terms without resorting to feeling like you're doing something "wrong" and without having to criminally implicate supportive family and friends. Aside: I've worked with the BCCLA in the past and IMO they have long been a challenger of unjust and uncivilized laws for all Canadians. So if you forsee their fight(s) benefitting yourself or your loved ones then I encourage you to volunteer or donate or otherwise support them. Moral advancement is the goal.