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A signed suicide note by YouTube. It's those peanuts that motivate actual content creators to post content and grow. This is the problem with "free and always w

A signed suicide note by YouTube. It's those peanuts that motivate actual content creators to post content and grow. This is the problem with "free and always will be", smh. You get a centralized broker. In Google's case, between sellers and viewers, who are cast as buyers. This all happens under the shadow of "video content". Google feeds off of the creativity of everyone on YouTube, its own Hollywood. Then they decide who is worthy of reaping the rewards with their rules. Something as simple as an organic comment promoting a product can actually drive real sales, and the John Doe that posts such a comment gets zilch. Why does he get nothing? Is it too difficult for Google to index all of John Doe's comments, crunch the impressions and counts and then give him the few dollars he would have accrued over the past few weeks? This should all just "work" without having to download Google Surveys, or whatever their community feedback/rewards app is. If they can index the web, they can do some math on behalf of me and count me in their little MLM payouts equation ffs. /ranty This is the perfect move to put more YouTubers past the tipping point.

bitmapbrother 9y ago
>A signed suicide note by YouTube. It's difficult to take your comment seriously when your opening line contains so much fail. YouTube isn't going anywhere but up. It has no rival and never will.
- anonytrary 9y ago
  > It has no rival and never will. Likewise, it's difficult to take your comment seriously with this beast of a closing line ;)
  - bitmapbrother 9y ago
    My line is realistic. Your opener, however, is comical.
    - dang 9y ago
      We've asked you numerous times before not to post uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN. If you can't or won't stop doing this, we're going to end up banning you. Flamebait and flamewars aren't welcome on this site. If you'd (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take that spirit to heart when commenting here, we'd appreciate it.
      - Fuckthisboard 9y ago
        Dang stop being a cunt. I get that you've been raped so frequently but just stop
nemothekid 9y ago
>This is the perfect move to put more YouTubers past the tipping point. YouTube is dead for the ______th time. Now YouTubers will finally move to ______ with monetization strategy _______ and we will enter the golden age of online video. I agree with the other (downvoted) poster - YouTube has no where to go. They literally have no competition, and bled billions of dollars for years to get where they are today. No one is lining up bleed money on user generated content like Google did. If you think creators should be compensated for the work they put out anymore than YouTube is doing, then build that platform. Until then no other platform has come close to actually writing checks to actual creators - even Facebook has seemingly decided to not touch that landmine with a 50ft pole - and they were supposed to "dethrone" YouTube with their billions of minutes watched. It's amazing people think that YouTube is screwing over creators when no other platform has even come close to what YouTube is doing at scale. Facebook/Twitter - heck even most ad networks give you zilch for putting content online. YouTube isn't just deciding who reaps the rewards, their the only content platform sharing the rewards.
- ashelmire 9y ago
  There are alternatives to Youtube. There are many video sharing sites, and more sites where you explicitly get paid for your content (Patreon, etc). Moves like this are inevitable and allow those smaller companies to make some headway in the market.
- anonytrary 9y ago
  I'm not saying they're dead yet, just guessing that it will be a massive turn off for new Youtubers. Perhaps we will see that platform soon.
pjc50 9y ago
> Something as simple as an organic comment promoting a product can actually drive real sales, and the John Doe that posts such a comment gets zilch. Of course, if you incentivise this, you destroy comments entirely as they fill with people pretending to be organic product recommendation. I (and I think quite a lot of other people) devalue information when someone has been paid to bring that recommendation to us, because it's in their interest and not ours.
- anonytrary 9y ago
  > they fill with people pretending to be organic product recommendation Only if it's free to post, right? If no one has skin in the game, then you'll get spammers. Consider a simple system where people pay 10 gold to post and 1 gold to vote. At the end of the month, the pot of gold is paid out to the top posts and the voters who made the best bets. I am not a game theorist/economist, but perhaps there is a set of rules such that every actor in the system is rewarded for their proper usage of the system, otherwise they get penalized, but this is only possible if it requires stake to be in the system, which is impossible in "free and always will be". It needs to be expensive to go against the community, which is why actions should cost a nominal amount of money. If this is the case, dividends or incentives could be paid to users for participating in a productive protocol. (Edit: Of course, there will always be the people who have tons of money and can manipulate the system, but how is this different than people with tons of money who buy account farms and drive impressions, e.g. fake news, ads, etc.?) Isn't Youtube actually trying something like this, where community members can get paid to be moderators, essentially?
  - pjc50 9y ago
    I think the only place I've ever found where it's not free to post was Metafilter, where it was a one-off charge of $5 as an anti-spam measure. And it went to pay the moderators.

bitmapbrother 9y ago

>A signed suicide note by YouTube. It's difficult to take your comment seriously when your opening line contains so much fail. YouTube isn't going anywhere but up. It has no rival and never will.

anonytrary 9y ago
> It has no rival and never will. Likewise, it's difficult to take your comment seriously with this beast of a closing line ;)
- bitmapbrother 9y ago
  My line is realistic. Your opener, however, is comical.
  - dang 9y ago
    We've asked you numerous times before not to post uncivil and/or unsubstantive comments to HN. If you can't or won't stop doing this, we're going to end up banning you. Flamebait and flamewars aren't welcome on this site. If you'd (re-)read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and take that spirit to heart when commenting here, we'd appreciate it.
    - Fuckthisboard 9y ago
      Dang stop being a cunt. I get that you've been raped so frequently but just stop

nemothekid 9y ago

>This is the perfect move to put more YouTubers past the tipping point. YouTube is dead for the ______th time. Now YouTubers will finally move to ______ with monetization strategy _______ and we will enter the golden age of online video. I agree with the other (downvoted) poster - YouTube has no where to go. They literally have no competition, and bled billions of dollars for years to get where they are today. No one is lining up bleed money on user generated content like Google did. If you think creators should be compensated for the work they put out anymore than YouTube is doing, then build that platform. Until then no other platform has come close to actually writing checks to actual creators - even Facebook has seemingly decided to not touch that landmine with a 50ft pole - and they were supposed to "dethrone" YouTube with their billions of minutes watched. It's amazing people think that YouTube is screwing over creators when no other platform has even come close to what YouTube is doing at scale. Facebook/Twitter - heck even most ad networks give you zilch for putting content online. YouTube isn't just deciding who reaps the rewards, their the only content platform sharing the rewards.

ashelmire 9y ago
There are alternatives to Youtube. There are many video sharing sites, and more sites where you explicitly get paid for your content (Patreon, etc). Moves like this are inevitable and allow those smaller companies to make some headway in the market.
anonytrary 9y ago
I'm not saying they're dead yet, just guessing that it will be a massive turn off for new Youtubers. Perhaps we will see that platform soon.

pjc50 9y ago

> Something as simple as an organic comment promoting a product can actually drive real sales, and the John Doe that posts such a comment gets zilch. Of course, if you incentivise this, you destroy comments entirely as they fill with people pretending to be organic product recommendation. I (and I think quite a lot of other people) devalue information when someone has been paid to bring that recommendation to us, because it's in their interest and not ours.

anonytrary 9y ago
> they fill with people pretending to be organic product recommendation Only if it's free to post, right? If no one has skin in the game, then you'll get spammers. Consider a simple system where people pay 10 gold to post and 1 gold to vote. At the end of the month, the pot of gold is paid out to the top posts and the voters who made the best bets. I am not a game theorist/economist, but perhaps there is a set of rules such that every actor in the system is rewarded for their proper usage of the system, otherwise they get penalized, but this is only possible if it requires stake to be in the system, which is impossible in "free and always will be". It needs to be expensive to go against the community, which is why actions should cost a nominal amount of money. If this is the case, dividends or incentives could be paid to users for participating in a productive protocol. (Edit: Of course, there will always be the people who have tons of money and can manipulate the system, but how is this different than people with tons of money who buy account farms and drive impressions, e.g. fake news, ads, etc.?) Isn't Youtube actually trying something like this, where community members can get paid to be moderators, essentially?
- pjc50 9y ago
  I think the only place I've ever found where it's not free to post was Metafilter, where it was a one-off charge of $5 as an anti-spam measure. And it went to pay the moderators.