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Be aware, before downloading: This application will not run without providing an e-mail address. It also forces data collection. I will not use such software.

darkkindness 9y ago
Also be aware that it's a beta. It's not necessarily an evil thing to want to get feedback on your software from those who are interested.
- slowhands 9y ago
  Then why make opting-out of telemetry consent so obtuse?
  - Andrenid 9y ago
    It's a beta. You're helping them test it, so them collecting usage/statistics is completely fair. If you don't want to take part in the beta testing, don't install the beta and wait for the full release (which the creator said elsewhere in the thread won't require email or data collection). In saying that, I do think a sentence above the email field saying "By taking part in this beta, you're helping us collect data to improve the product for final release, which will not require your email address or do data collection unless opting in" or some such.
wdanilo 9y ago
@moondoge, if you don't want to provide your mail, just write anything in this field, we do NOT validate it in any way. However, we would be very thankful if you provide your real mail address, so we can track how Luna is used and improve the experience. Every data we collect is described here: http://www.luna-lang.org/alpha-data.html http://www.luna-lang.org/alpha-data.html . We try to collect only insensitive data, that tell us how Luna is used and how well it performs.
- gatmne 9y ago
  Software that collects and sends back any form of information is a big no-no unless it's opt-in. It's not acceptable when vscode does it. It's not acceptable when .net-core does it. It isn't acceptable when Luna does it. If you want your users to help you learn how Luna is used and preforms in real environments, you ask for them for feedback rather than forcefully extract it. Having telemetry enabled by default (or much worse, being mandatory) is disrespectful. It's also a fairly good indicator of what you think of your users.
  - aflinik 9y ago
    I totally agree with you on the mandatory part, I’d hope it would be widely accepted that opt-in is the way to go in such cases. Although I need to point out there’s a huge difference between what people say vs what they actually do (see https://www.nngroup.com/articles/first-rule-of-usability-dont-listen-to-users/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/first-rule-of-usability-don...) and I can’t imagine an effective product development process that ignores the actual usage data.
  - ddrdrck_ 9y ago
    I find your comment much more "disrespectful" than telemetry enabled by default. Did you read the mention that it was done for beta phase ? If you're not happy with that, then do not use beta, ask politely if it can be removed or made optional for final release, and stop whining and acting disdainfully.
- ChrisRR 9y ago
  Collecting insensitive data and wanting users' email addresses are two different things.
- executesorder66 9y ago
  > if you don't want to provide your mail, just write anything in this field, we do NOT validate it in any way. So why don't you just make it a non-required field? I don't appreciate your attitude towards user privacy, so I will never use any of your products.
Double_a_92 9y ago
It's still in beta. It's common for betas to do that, so you can have enough information to fix problems that might occur. Unless the beta is already a RC and is basically just released for advertising reasons...

darkkindness 9y ago

Also be aware that it's a beta. It's not necessarily an evil thing to want to get feedback on your software from those who are interested.

slowhands 9y ago
Then why make opting-out of telemetry consent so obtuse?
- Andrenid 9y ago
  It's a beta. You're helping them test it, so them collecting usage/statistics is completely fair. If you don't want to take part in the beta testing, don't install the beta and wait for the full release (which the creator said elsewhere in the thread won't require email or data collection). In saying that, I do think a sentence above the email field saying "By taking part in this beta, you're helping us collect data to improve the product for final release, which will not require your email address or do data collection unless opting in" or some such.

wdanilo 9y ago

@moondoge, if you don't want to provide your mail, just write anything in this field, we do NOT validate it in any way. However, we would be very thankful if you provide your real mail address, so we can track how Luna is used and improve the experience. Every data we collect is described here: http://www.luna-lang.org/alpha-data.html http://www.luna-lang.org/alpha-data.html . We try to collect only insensitive data, that tell us how Luna is used and how well it performs.

gatmne 9y ago
Software that collects and sends back any form of information is a big no-no unless it's opt-in. It's not acceptable when vscode does it. It's not acceptable when .net-core does it. It isn't acceptable when Luna does it. If you want your users to help you learn how Luna is used and preforms in real environments, you ask for them for feedback rather than forcefully extract it. Having telemetry enabled by default (or much worse, being mandatory) is disrespectful. It's also a fairly good indicator of what you think of your users.
- aflinik 9y ago
  I totally agree with you on the mandatory part, I’d hope it would be widely accepted that opt-in is the way to go in such cases. Although I need to point out there’s a huge difference between what people say vs what they actually do (see https://www.nngroup.com/articles/first-rule-of-usability-dont-listen-to-users/ https://www.nngroup.com/articles/first-rule-of-usability-don...) and I can’t imagine an effective product development process that ignores the actual usage data.
- ddrdrck_ 9y ago
  I find your comment much more "disrespectful" than telemetry enabled by default. Did you read the mention that it was done for beta phase ? If you're not happy with that, then do not use beta, ask politely if it can be removed or made optional for final release, and stop whining and acting disdainfully.
ChrisRR 9y ago
Collecting insensitive data and wanting users' email addresses are two different things.
executesorder66 9y ago
> if you don't want to provide your mail, just write anything in this field, we do NOT validate it in any way. So why don't you just make it a non-required field? I don't appreciate your attitude towards user privacy, so I will never use any of your products.

Double_a_92 9y ago

It's still in beta. It's common for betas to do that, so you can have enough information to fix problems that might occur. Unless the beta is already a RC and is basically just released for advertising reasons...