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Thunderbird's problem, i think, is that their userbase contains a large portion of people who value thunderbird for it's stagnancy, but at the same time get ang

Thunderbird's problem, i think, is that their userbase contains a large portion of people who value thunderbird for it's stagnancy, but at the same time get angry if you suggest that thunderbird might be stagnant. Thunderbird is the email client for people who want email to work exactly like it did ten years ago. that's their value-add, and it really should be their vision.

kobayashi 9y ago
And/or prioritize PGP support
mixmastamyk 9y ago
It needs maintenance and minor improvements. Keep your “redesigns” to a new client.
auxym 9y ago
While this describes me pretty well, I have to admit an (optional) conversations view would be pretty useful.
- commoner 9y ago
  Try the Thunderbird Conversations add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-con... It resembles the old Gmail interface, and it's open source.
  - Tomte 9y ago
    And you can't move whole conversations, for example. That's a huge pain point for me. It seems to be a totally different thing than the regular message list, and only some actions work in Conversation mode.
  - bigbugbag 9y ago
    Or don't, as we have seen recently relying on addons to add missing functionalities may not be viable through time. Thunderbird will soon add support for webextensions, who knows what will happen of the legacy extensions further than short term ?
SubiculumCode 9y ago
Internal fork, maintain both. The old version should be east to maintain.
romwell 9y ago
>a large portion of people who value thunderbird for it's stagnancy, but at the same time get angry if you suggest that thunderbird might be stagnant. Stagnant is a negative characteristic. Keeping things that work the way they are isn't. MSPaint hasn't been "stagnant" for decades, it was the way people liked it.
mc32 9y ago
There was Eudora for that. I think one thing that maybe kept ThB from innovating was that people took webmail to heart. It's few people who want a thick client or even want to go thru the config. What port, what server, etc. On a mobile device, the UI walks them through the scenarios (Google, Microsoft, etc) so they usually don't have to guess or have "IT" set it up for them. Plus, what ships with MAC and Windows is good enough for most people who do want some kind of thick client. Regardless, ThB was the ugly child at Mozilla since ever. They should have taken the Opp when Eudora was finally killed, but I don't think Moz had the energy.
- genghizkhan 9y ago
  > Plus, what ships with MAC and Windows is good enough for most people who do want some kind of thick client. Airmail and Spark, among others, would like to have a word with you. Airmail in particular started out as a Mac client before being ported to iOS. There exists quite a market for good email clients, I would think.

kobayashi 9y ago

And/or prioritize PGP support

mixmastamyk 9y ago

It needs maintenance and minor improvements. Keep your “redesigns” to a new client.

auxym 9y ago

While this describes me pretty well, I have to admit an (optional) conversations view would be pretty useful.

commoner 9y ago
Try the Thunderbird Conversations add-on: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-conversation-view/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/gmail-con... It resembles the old Gmail interface, and it's open source.
- Tomte 9y ago
  And you can't move whole conversations, for example. That's a huge pain point for me. It seems to be a totally different thing than the regular message list, and only some actions work in Conversation mode.
- bigbugbag 9y ago
  Or don't, as we have seen recently relying on addons to add missing functionalities may not be viable through time. Thunderbird will soon add support for webextensions, who knows what will happen of the legacy extensions further than short term ?

SubiculumCode 9y ago

Internal fork, maintain both. The old version should be east to maintain.

romwell 9y ago

>a large portion of people who value thunderbird for it's stagnancy, but at the same time get angry if you suggest that thunderbird might be stagnant. Stagnant is a negative characteristic. Keeping things that work the way they are isn't. MSPaint hasn't been "stagnant" for decades, it was the way people liked it.

mc32 9y ago

There was Eudora for that. I think one thing that maybe kept ThB from innovating was that people took webmail to heart. It's few people who want a thick client or even want to go thru the config. What port, what server, etc. On a mobile device, the UI walks them through the scenarios (Google, Microsoft, etc) so they usually don't have to guess or have "IT" set it up for them. Plus, what ships with MAC and Windows is good enough for most people who do want some kind of thick client. Regardless, ThB was the ugly child at Mozilla since ever. They should have taken the Opp when Eudora was finally killed, but I don't think Moz had the energy.

genghizkhan 9y ago
> Plus, what ships with MAC and Windows is good enough for most people who do want some kind of thick client. Airmail and Spark, among others, would like to have a word with you. Airmail in particular started out as a Mac client before being ported to iOS. There exists quite a market for good email clients, I would think.