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I am interested in the answers to these tough questions as well. I can sympathize with the position women are in and can understand the strong desire to form a
by rubicon33 9y ago
I am interested in the answers to these tough questions as well. I can sympathize with the position women are in and can understand the strong desire to form an organization like Leap. To that end, I applaud and support them.
However, I do wonder about comments like this:
> "a community where the core culture was set by women, and the software and product decisions were also made by women"
Progressives are currently combatting this same kind of
toxic / exclusionary behavior in men that exacerbates the inequality between men and women to this day.
- lhorie 9y agoIf you follow that line of reasoning to its extreme logical conclusion, you might arrive at a completely nonsensical argument that former rapists should be allowed to join rape victim support groups. If someone wants to make an argument about equality, one needs to also consider the concept of a safe haven. If a specific type of people are a threat to the safety and well being of a community, the community should have the option to disallow that type of people altogether without being subject to "social justice" pedantry. Condominiums can bar entry to homeless people on the grounds of vandalism prevention and that's perfectly legal and accepted. I don't see how this is much different.
- chrislynch42 9y agoBeing a rapist is illegal, while identifying as a man is not. I would think a better analogy is that a rape support group would not allow male victims as most rapists are men.
- lhorie 9y ago_Raping_ is illegal. Being a registered sex offender means you might have served jail time and then released. Whether a rapist feels remorse or whether they've received fair punishment under the law is completely beside the point. Being homeless is certainly not illegal and the thing about condos is still true.
- notyourday 9y agoJust wait until the real fun starts - it will soon become apparent that among a group that identifies as "women" there are those who would command the vast majority of the available resources, just like it happens among the group that identifies as "men" at which point that group would also need to be sliced and diced into subgroups with specific rules applied towards say... cis-women vs. non-cis-women or cis-women-that-look-like-karlie-kloss (or Iman)
- metaphoracle 9y agoLeap and similar communities are not essentialist, they are safe spaces for those people who share the experience of existing as a woman in the tech industry. It is a false equivalency to conflate Leap with terf essentialism. Additionally, why the quotes around men and women? Is this an attempt to be subtly transphobic?
- Anticapitalist 9y agoDoesn't seem all that subtle to me